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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 06:19 PM
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Vice News, the latest installment prior Simon's detention.
He is interviewing a man accused by NY Times and buffoons from White House of being a member of Russian Special Forces.

www.youtube.com...




posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 06:36 PM
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Lvov celebrated anniversary of the creation of Nazi SS Galicia division yesterday, despite the ban.
It is extremely sad to see young people in Ukraine indoctrinated with Nazi ideology.

www.youtube.com...


also a note, insignia they carry is Divisional Insignia of 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS

en.wikipedia.org...(1st_Ukrainian)


edit on 27-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)

edit on 27-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 07:04 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
Vice News, the latest installment prior Simon's detention.
He is interviewing a man accused by NY Times and buffoons from White House of being a member of Russian Special Forces.

www.youtube.com...




news.vice.com... on-of-ukraine-dispatch-twenty-nine

news.vice.com...


Actually i think this is what got him into trouble he was finding out the pro Russian group staged the attack on the checkpoint. Apparently there is a rumor they created a false attack to get Russian support. Looks like we may have a false flag operation and the vehicle used in the attack was purchased right there.In other words they bought the vehicle just to destroy it to make it look like they were attacked. This is the spying they accused him of because i guess they wouldnt think a reporter would contact the vehicle owner.


Also interesting Is the fact the guy interviewed in the clip you gave confirmed he was Cossack from Kuban of course his fleece hat tells you that notice the red crown on top. Hes stil special forces most likely the fleece hat is a big clue.

en.wikipedia.org...:Kuban_patch.jpg


edit on 4/27/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Vice News, the latest installment prior Simon's detention.
He is interviewing a man accused by NY Times and buffoons from White House of being a member of Russian Special Forces.

www.youtube.com...




news.vice.com... on-of-ukraine-dispatch-twenty-nine

news.vice.com...


Actually i think this is what got him into trouble he was finding out the pro Russian group staged the attack on the checkpoint. Apparently there is a rumor they created a false attack to get Russian support. Looks like we may have a false flag operation and the vehicle used in the attack was purchased right there.In other words they bought the vehicle just to destroy it to make it look like they were attacked. This is the spying they accused him of because i guess they wouldnt think a reporter would contact the vehicle owner.


Also interesting Is the fact the guy interviewed in the clip you gave confirmed he was Cossack from Kuban of course his fleece hat tells you that notice the red crown on top. Hes stil special forces most likely the fleece hat is a big clue.

en.wikipedia.org...:Kuban_patch.jpg




bottom line is that guy interviewed is not the same guy State Department and US MSM is reporting to be.
Those guys are Kozak volunteers
Another propaganda battle lost. Next.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...


edit on 27-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Vice News, the latest installment prior Simon's detention.
He is interviewing a man accused by NY Times and buffoons from White House of being a member of Russian Special Forces.

www.youtube.com...




news.vice.com... on-of-ukraine-dispatch-twenty-nine

news.vice.com...


Actually i think this is what got him into trouble he was finding out the pro Russian group staged the attack on the checkpoint. Apparently there is a rumor they created a false attack to get Russian support. Looks like we may have a false flag operation and the vehicle used in the attack was purchased right there.In other words they bought the vehicle just to destroy it to make it look like they were attacked. This is the spying they accused him of because i guess they wouldnt think a reporter would contact the vehicle owner.


Also interesting Is the fact the guy interviewed in the clip you gave confirmed he was Cossack from Kuban of course his fleece hat tells you that notice the red crown on top. Hes stil special forces most likely the fleece hat is a big clue.

en.wikipedia.org...:Kuban_patch.jpg




bottom line is that guy interviewed is not the same guy State Department and US MSM is reporting to be.
Those guys are Kozak volunteers
Another propaganda battle lost. Next.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...



Was it proved the point actually also still no guarantee its not the same guy since he was very deceptive about where he was. But hey thats not really the point the point is Russians are instigating the situation just like the SBU claimed. By the way wasnt the white house that released this it was Ukraine. Bottom line is now we know Russia has cossacks in eastern Ukraine which is a version of there special forces incredibly tough fighters as well had some experience with them.



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: ProfessorT

It seems they are even filming themselves training:



That's a German Leopard Tank. it's not Russian, It's Not Ukrainian.
It has nothing to do with what's going on at the moment.



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: mash3d

originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: ProfessorT

It seems they are even filming themselves training:



That's a German Leopard Tank. it's not Russian, It's Not Ukrainian.
It has nothing to do with what's going on at the moment.




i missed that its tank testing they see what obstacles it can handle theyll be more to this video somewhere showing a brick wall ive seen this before.Somebody is trying tobe funny pulling anything they can find off the net was this in a tweet take that person off your list.



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Vice News, the latest installment prior Simon's detention.
He is interviewing a man accused by NY Times and buffoons from White House of being a member of Russian Special Forces.

www.youtube.com...




news.vice.com... on-of-ukraine-dispatch-twenty-nine

news.vice.com...


Actually i think this is what got him into trouble he was finding out the pro Russian group staged the attack on the checkpoint. Apparently there is a rumor they created a false attack to get Russian support. Looks like we may have a false flag operation and the vehicle used in the attack was purchased right there.In other words they bought the vehicle just to destroy it to make it look like they were attacked. This is the spying they accused him of because i guess they wouldnt think a reporter would contact the vehicle owner.


Also interesting Is the fact the guy interviewed in the clip you gave confirmed he was Cossack from Kuban of course his fleece hat tells you that notice the red crown on top. Hes stil special forces most likely the fleece hat is a big clue.

en.wikipedia.org...:Kuban_patch.jpg




bottom line is that guy interviewed is not the same guy State Department and US MSM is reporting to be.
Those guys are Kozak volunteers
Another propaganda battle lost. Next.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...



Was it proved the point actually also still no guarantee its not the same guy since he was very deceptive about where he was. But hey thats not really the point the point is Russians are instigating the situation just like the SBU claimed. By the way wasnt the white house that released this it was Ukraine. Bottom line is now we know Russia has cossacks in eastern Ukraine which is a version of there special forces incredibly tough fighters as well had some experience with them.


Of course they have combat experience, and the bottom line is they are volunteers, they are not mercenaries.
Not sure about these buddies of yours who are training National Guard somewhere in Western Ukraine.
Most certainly they are not volunteers, what you think?

www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 08:23 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Vice News, the latest installment prior Simon's detention.
He is interviewing a man accused by NY Times and buffoons from White House of being a member of Russian Special Forces.

www.youtube.com...


cossacks indeed belong to the Russian military so him claiming hes a volunteer means nothing.His hat tells us what he does why do you think he wears it do you realize Cossack even have there own ranks in Russian military. All youve done is proved Russian involvement in east Ukraine nice job no report to your handler for punishment.



news.vice.com... on-of-ukraine-dispatch-twenty-nine

news.vice.com...


Actually i think this is what got him into trouble he was finding out the pro Russian group staged the attack on the checkpoint. Apparently there is a rumor they created a false attack to get Russian support. Looks like we may have a false flag operation and the vehicle used in the attack was purchased right there.In other words they bought the vehicle just to destroy it to make it look like they were attacked. This is the spying they accused him of because i guess they wouldnt think a reporter would contact the vehicle owner.


Also interesting Is the fact the guy interviewed in the clip you gave confirmed he was Cossack from Kuban of course his fleece hat tells you that notice the red crown on top. Hes stil special forces most likely the fleece hat is a big clue.

en.wikipedia.org...:Kuban_patch.jpg




bottom line is that guy interviewed is not the same guy State Department and US MSM is reporting to be.
Those guys are Kozak volunteers
Another propaganda battle lost. Next.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...



Was it proved the point actually also still no guarantee its not the same guy since he was very deceptive about where he was. But hey thats not really the point the point is Russians are instigating the situation just like the SBU claimed. By the way wasnt the white house that released this it was Ukraine. Bottom line is now we know Russia has cossacks in eastern Ukraine which is a version of there special forces incredibly tough fighters as well had some experience with them.


Of course they have combat experience, and the bottom line is they are volunteers, they are not mercenaries.
Not sure about these buddies of yours who are training National Guard somewhere in Western Ukraine.
Most certainly they are not volunteers, what you think?

www.youtube.com...




cossacks indeed belong to the Russian military so him claiming hes a volunteer means nothing.His hat tells us what he does why do you think he wears it do you realize Cossack even have there own ranks in Russian military. All youve done is proved Russian involvement in east Ukraine nice job see your finnally posting things relevant to the thread.


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posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 08:34 PM
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This is interesting there looking into asset recovery trying to track down the money Viktor Yanukovich stole from the Ukrainian people.




"Building on our expertise in the field of asset recovery, it will also provide practical leadership and assistance to the Ukrainian government as they identify and recover assets looted under the Yanukovich regime and introduce political and economic reform," British Home Secretary Theresa May said.

London is the top destination for money from the former Soviet Union and many Ukrainian oligarchs have assets there.

Last month, Britain said it had been given a list of people suspected of being involved in the theft of Ukrainian assets and that it would send a team to Kiev to seek further evidence.


www.nytimes.com...



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: mash3d

originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: ProfessorT

It seems they are even filming themselves training:



That's a German Leopard Tank. it's not Russian, It's Not Ukrainian.
It has nothing to do with what's going on at the moment.




i missed that its tank testing they see what obstacles it can handle theyll be more to this video somewhere showing a brick wall ive seen this before.Somebody is trying tobe funny pulling anything they can find off the net was this in a tweet take that person off your list.


That's why every one should double check the source and not believe anything
because some one posted a picture or a video on the net.
There's several questions that people need to ask when they see any news report or information posted.
is the information accurate?
Are there multiple sources for the same event? Or multiple angles?
Do the sources have a track record of posting factual truthful information?
Was the event staged?
Who benefits, or is harmed, form the information being released?

The first casualty of war is always the truth



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: mash3d

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: mash3d

originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: ProfessorT

It seems they are even filming themselves training:



That's a German Leopard Tank. it's not Russian, It's Not Ukrainian.
It has nothing to do with what's going on at the moment.




i missed that its tank testing they see what obstacles it can handle theyll be more to this video somewhere showing a brick wall ive seen this before.Somebody is trying tobe funny pulling anything they can find off the net was this in a tweet take that person off your list.


That's why every one should double check the source and not believe anything
because some one posted a picture or a video on the net.
There's several questions that people need to ask when they see any news report or information posted.
is the information accurate?
Are there multiple sources for the same event? Or multiple angles?
Do the sources have a track record of posting factual truthful information?
Was the event staged?
Who benefits, or is harmed, form the information being released?

The first casualty of war is always the truth



Agree with most of it apart from last sentence. There is no war at this stage.



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: mash3d

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: mash3d

originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: ProfessorT

It seems they are even filming themselves training:



That's a German Leopard Tank. it's not Russian, It's Not Ukrainian.
It has nothing to do with what's going on at the moment.




i missed that its tank testing they see what obstacles it can handle theyll be more to this video somewhere showing a brick wall ive seen this before.Somebody is trying tobe funny pulling anything they can find off the net was this in a tweet take that person off your list.


That's why every one should double check the source and not believe anything
because some one posted a picture or a video on the net.
There's several questions that people need to ask when they see any news report or information posted.
is the information accurate?
Are there multiple sources for the same event? Or multiple angles?
Do the sources have a track record of posting factual truthful information?
Was the event staged?
Who benefits, or is harmed, form the information being released?

The first casualty of war is always the truth



Agree with most of it apart from last sentence. There is no war at this stage.


There are different types of wars not all involve shooting luckily for the most part Ukraine and Russia has kept this to a war of words with only minimal incidents but dont think those two arent at war. this is going to have some very long term repercussions even if they dont start firing at one another.



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 10:03 PM
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Because Ukrainians want nothing to do with it! why else would the Ukaine govt have to bring in outside mercenaries?
Have you noticed the defections?
There is no war indeed, Ukraine is not fighting the Russian's at the moment, nor will they, this is a fact.
It is their NATO handlers and private army who are engaging Russian separatists, and genuine Ukraine protesters.

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posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: dragonridr
Because Ukrainians want nothing to do with it! why else would the Ukaine govt have to bring in outside mercenaries?
There is no war indeed, Ukraine is not fighting the Russian's at the moment, this is a fact.



What did i miss something what outside mercenaries is there a news link? i must have missed that are you talking about the Russian cassacks? As far as a war if you come in and take someones land thats a war . Not all wars need be fought with mass casualties and not all are fought on the battlefield as well. Ukraine has moved to a political war for now but imnot sure how long that will last.



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr
Not a political,military or even a financial war, USA/NATO and western states are taking care of that..
since the coup Ukraine as it was has ceased to exist as an independent state,until free and fair elections it is a NATO/EU puppet state and good luck that changing considering the handlers.
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posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: dragonridr
Because Ukrainians want nothing to do with it! why else would the Ukaine govt have to bring in outside mercenaries?
There is no war indeed, Ukraine is not fighting the Russian's at the moment, this is a fact.



What did i miss something what outside mercenaries is there a news link? i must have missed that are you talking about the Russian cassacks? As far as a war if you come in and take someones land thats a war . Not all wars need be fought with mass casualties and not all are fought on the battlefield as well. Ukraine has moved to a political war for now but imnot sure how long that will last.


How much is Junta concerned about Ukrainian people?
Not much at all. Since taking a power 2 months ago neither 'acting president' nor 'acting PM' come to visit people
of South East and discuss problems and possible solution. Meantime they have been all over the Europe, US, even visited a Pope. In any democratic country leading people would go first where the problems&issues are and to see first hand what is bothering their people and what can be done.
But these people do not care as they do not represent people. They are US puppets used for ultimate goal,weakening Russia.
They are meeting CIA boss and US vice-president and after each of those meetings military action has been taken against their own people. Those are facts and no amount of lies can deny that.
They are nothing more than puppets.



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
Lvov celebrated anniversary of the creation of Nazi SS Galicia division yesterday, despite the ban.
It is extremely sad to see young people in Ukraine indoctrinated with Nazi ideology.

www.youtube.com...


also a note, insignia they carry is Divisional Insignia of 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS

en.wikipedia.org...(1st_Ukrainian)



That must be from last year since the 14th Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS was created in august of 1944. Or maybe just maybe there celebrating there historical roots. The area known as Galicia (Polish: Halicz ,Russian: Galich or Galitsiya) is a former Austrian crownland in East central Europe; 30,645 square miles; included Northern slopes of Carpathian mountains and the valleys of upper Vistula and upper.In other words what youthink is a nazi symbol is actually a coat of arms. The Nazis loved history the area already used that as a coat of arms so of course the Nazis adopted it. By the way that same symol is involved in Russian history as well in the 14th century. Russian and Ukrainian history have very strong ties also why the languages arent really that different.

But go ahead play the Nazi card but the Nazis didnt create that coat of arms.



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 10:47 PM
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originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: dragonridr
Not a political,military or even a financial war, USA/NATO and western states are taking care of that..
since the coup Ukraine as it was has ceased to exist, it is a NATO/EU puppet state now.


Ok if you say so i guess though i havnt seen US or EU troops taking over Ukraine only Russian.However i guess if Ukrainians prefer (according to you to be a puppet of the west) apparently they prefer that over being a Russian puppet either way its there decision to make isnt it??? Unfortunately Putin is trying to use force and just didaway with puppet and moving right to hostage.
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posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: Imhere

originally posted by: ProfessorT
Asen, that refers to Kramatorsk airfield again. A few reporters are there already and have confirmed nothing is going on apart from some random fella banging on a piece of wood.


They should NOT report or mix something insignificant like a guy banging on wood. Seriously that tidbit is unnecessary.

It should be simple, clear significant reporting. IMO. Details like a guy urinating on the side of the building or banging on trash cans should be left out in PROFESSIONAL reporting.


Its entirely possible the reports we see that turn out to be nothing are for special operations. During WWII radio reports with unusual comments - Like "John has a long mustache / The chair is against the wall" (from Red Dawn however they snagged it from history of WWII) would let underground units get an idea of what might be coming / what they need to attack / do next.

Secondly its entirely possible the reports are using information that is planted in order for either side to determine if they have leaks.



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