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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:08 AM
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Czechs, Slovaks sceptical about sanctions on Russia - Czech PM



"The Czech government holds a sceptical position on the introduction of 'broad-based' sanctions because it would also hurt economic growth in Europe," he said, adding the Slovak government held a similar view.


Started w/ Slovakia, now its spreading to Czech. . .
edit on 24-4-2014 by SurrenderingAmerica because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: ALoveSupreme

Personally I find your comments to be extraordinarily intelligent and thought provoking. I am glad you joined ATS and bring such a unique perspective to this site, not many Islamic Arabic women here.

I am enjoying your replies immensely.

God Bless,



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
a reply to: BobAthome
Putin embraces the Orthodox church and its patriarch because they are powerful symbols of Russia's past glory.


Off topic, but feel free to ask any Russian Christian what "Orthodox" means, and they'll stare right back at you with a look of surprise.

They don't even know what it means, because Orthodoxy was artificially brought to Russia from Byzantine, and was modeled after Greek Orthodoxy, which has absolutely nothing to do with Russian Christianity.

None of this has anything to do with Putin anyway, he is only being used by Mass Media Propaganda Machine as the scary KGB boogeyman, just to scare all the stupid people.


I think you have not studied much about Slavic history or you would know that the Kyiv Rus, progenitors of Czarist Russia were christianized primarily by the Byzantine Patriarchates who are synonymous with the 'Greek Orthodox' church. This occurred in the 10th and 11th centuries and the Russian Orthodox church did not emerge until much later during the late medieval periods as Constantinople's political power waned.



I'm very glad you are versed in fake, propaganda history made up and used as psychological warfare. Keep on rocking.

I prefer to read about the real Patriots, regardless of their faith, nationality and gender.

What you're talking about is when Russian history was switched, and was taught in Latin and German, and that's because the teachers were from Germany and simply didn't know how to and didn't cared to speak Russian. The authors of the so called "scientific Russian history" are not even Russians.

Actually, knock your self out, here's where these particular lies begin, Gottlieb Siegfried Bayer;

en.wikipedia.org...

The same age old, switching of meanings, flipping concept upside down, twisting the truth.

Parasites, mimicry of patters, and when it comes to Russian patriots in this it was Lomonosov, who stood up against the disgusting switching of real values with artificial methods of mind control.

Lomonosov was against fake moment of Normanism, which in it self is the prototype to Nazis, and other carbon copies of itself;


As a mater of fact, the debate between Normannists and Anti-Normannists has been recurrent from the eighteenth century onwards. Gottlieb Siegfried Bayer, a German historian member of the Academy of Sciences at St-Petersburg, may be considered as the first Normannist. In several papers of 1735-41 – before the war between Russia and Sweden in 1741 – he showed that the Varangians of Russian chronicles were, in fact Scandinavians who were the first rulers and nobles. Afterwards, another German, member of Academy, Gerhard-Friedrich Miller, Rector at the academic University of St-Petersburg (the first Russian University) wrote a treatise in 1749 ‘On the origins of the people and of the name of Russia’ in which he defends the same thesis of the Varangian origin of the Russian state. It was criticized by a specialist in the natural sciences Mikhailo Lomonosov who had no background in history. He declared in c. 1760-66 that the Varangians – the enemies of 1741 – were Western Slavs and that the name of the Russians came from Southern tribes of Roxolans (at that time the Iranian origin of these people were still unknown). Although he was married to a German woman, Lomonosov did not allow that foreigners may write the history of his country.


www.lph-asso.fr...
Same old lies, same old tricks, same old "revisionists".

You want to study something? Get your mind out of the propaganda gutter and think for yourself, and only then you'll find real Patriots, regardless of when they lived, who they were, and where they were from.

Truth is what binds good folk together, not bull crap.




posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:12 AM
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originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: renden

actually "black and white" are not colors.


They are in color theory regarding both optics and print process.

I think what you are talking about is 'hue', of which both black and white neither possess.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: renden

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: ALoveSupreme

ok enough with the "50,000 Russian troops on Ukraine's eastern borders? and it is not just yourself,,

NEWS FLASH,,



THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF RUSSIA,,IS ON ,,Ukraine's eastern bordeR.

Please stop. the same parroting. Its demeaning.


If you are suggesting that such a concentration of Russian military along the border is meaningless, you are being obtuse.

Let me clarify even though I admit I am no military expert—an estimated 50,000 troops with live armaments, deployed in close proximity to the Ukrainian-Russian border at tactically advantageous positions which suggest readiness for an invasion contingency.

Better?


Oh for crying out loud.

POINT THE FINGER AT THE SPOT WITH ALL THOSE RUSSIANS!!!!

If can't, then kindly STHU.

Martians, Martians are at the Canadian border with US! Martians are invading, they have declared war on US! Just look at all them martians I tell ya! There are tens of thousand of them, right there, on the US/Canadian border! That's right, right there, where Canada meets USA, all them evil commie-Martians! Obama should like kill them all and stuff, cuz they are evil oppressors of freedom and democracy.

Insanity.


Doesn't it bother you posting things like this when you know it will all be negated by future actions? When the Russian troops do move into Eastern Ukraine, you will be claiming that they aren't really there, that the footage of victory parades are all Western lies... while at the same time boasting about Putin's strategic brilliance in "liberating" Ukraine. How do you do it?


So you CAN'T point at the spot with all those Russians? Then take a back seat there buddy, because your logic lacks logic. Go get some, then come back.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: renden

Actually the burden of proof falls on you do disprove there are troops on the border of ukraine. If you want to get technical.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: renden

actually "black and white" are not colors.


They are in color theory regarding both optics and print process.

I think what you are talking about is 'hue', of which both black and white neither possess.


Oh, we can play that game all day. Let's just pick one tiny part of the topic just to ignore everything else, and focus only on what suits out needs. Isn't it just a lovely way to ignore the obvious?

Truth? Oh who needs it, there is no black, no white, it's all just technicalities, just "ebony and ivory all living in harmony", there are no colors, there is no right, no wrong, no good or no evil, just do what thou wilt, and then "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law", because there are no men or women, there is only law.

Right?


If you are so confident that we are all just dumb sheep, then go ahead and do it, why wait. Since you got no fear, since that is what you believe, then there should be no wrath, so there's nothing stopping you, right?


I'm game, since I was born



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: yuppa

actually as in a purely NATURAL STATE,, there are no troops, naturally on the border,,"the burden of proof falls on you do disprove" is not correct.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: yuppa

actually as in a purely NATURAL STATE,, there are no troops, naturally on the border,,"the burden of proof falls on you do disprove" is not correct.


I was not adressing you. good day.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: renden

Actually the burden of proof falls on you do disprove there are troops on the border of ukraine. If you want to get technical.


Really? Please justify your position by sighting a clause which positions the burden of proof.

I'm not the one saying what troops are where and where they are not, I'm simply asking for the proof of where the troops are from the ones who are claiming that they are positioned to invade Ukraine.

If I was claiming that USA is about to invade America, with out any proof whatsoever, I'd be immediately labeled as an insane conspiracy nut, but hey, since these are some Russians we're talking about, apparently it's perfectly fine to say what the heck ever with out any proof, cuz like whatever, who gives a crap about facts and such.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:26 AM
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Actually it's no one's place to prove anything in this thread. It's a live update thread not a bitch and whine thread. Nor is it a thread that has almost anything to do with just about every post made page after page. So please allow those coming here for updates find updates and make a I want to prove something thread and have at it there.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:26 AM
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Meanwhile in Ukraine...


Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov calls on Russia to pull troops back from their border - @Reuters


After this statement from Mr. Turchynov I'm sure Russia collectively crapped their pants.
Well guys, I guess this is it, show's over.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: renden

no he means the one that put a wall around a part of Berlin, and America had too Fly in FOOD too people who were starving TOO DEATH, remember???


Prove it. Who was starving where? 9 to death)

Oh wait, you saw it on TV, that makes it real.

Remember that Flintstones episode? Oh wait, it was Gilligans Island, whatever, same thing, all them evil commies are evil! Just like Boris and Natasha!

LOL!



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:28 AM
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More videos showing events from today's operation in Slavyansk:




posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: renden

I'm very glad you are versed in fake, propaganda history made up and used as psychological warfare. Keep on rocking.


You are telling me about the Varangians, the Viking originators of the Kiev Rus (whom also served as the Byznatine emperors' Praetorian guard, the name sake of whom is used in a social club here in Dubai coincidentally). Byzantine history was a component of my studies in university I might add.

The Varangians worshipped Odin and the Norse gods during the first century of their establishment of the Czarist empire. While there were certainly some earlier attempts to Christianize them by missionaries of the Catholic-affiliated church (as there were many during the time of the Viking conflicts) no lasting change was made until the Greek Orthodox church converted Vladimir the Great.

russiapedia.rt.com...



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: renden

wow did not think i would need ever too do this,,

history.state.gov...

www.answers.com...



really dumbed down the world it seems.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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Having grown tired of the relentlessly ineloquent (and easily disprovable) arguments put forth by one particular individual here, I will say an early good evening to the rest of you.

Hopefully, this situation does not escalate.

It is good for nobody involved.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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Ukrainian border guards seize pro-Russian/separatist symbolism items from 2 males at border crossing:
hromadske.tv...

Yesterday in the Donetsk region in checkpoint Chaplinka Border Service and Security Service officers with the customs officers arrested two military cargo branezheletiv four military helmets, 24 St. George flags, 17 bags and 36-band patches of pro-Russian symbolism. Reported by URA-Ynform.Donbass.

According to available information, the suspect tried to smuggle goods mailing machine from Simferopol to Donetsk.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

originally posted by: renden

I'm very glad you are versed in fake, propaganda history made up and used as psychological warfare. Keep on rocking.


You are telling me about the Varangians, the Viking originators of the Kiev Rus


Yeah all that is BS, just like the Nazi superior Aryan Gods BS. All off topic, so this is the last post on this.

Take any story of Gods, modify to fit your agenda, turn it into propaganda, turn a bunch of people into violent servants of your agenda.

Absolutely same goes for the made up, BS crap about Vikings being the originators of Kievan Russ. All made up, and is immediately laughable to anyone who actually cared to open up a book and read about it for themselves.

At the end of this century, people will read the official story of Twin Towers and will be in shock how such a blatantly obvious lie was accepted by the masses. But hey, after a few centuries if we're still around, people that carried the real story will die off, and the fake will become the only, thus the same cycle of insanity continues.



posted on Apr, 24 2014 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: ALoveSupreme
yes the "Viking" or six KING'S u know V I
vi or six.
Kings,,
who went North too gather there own Kingdoms.



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