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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 04:16 PM
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"...Russian FSB is watching Crimean Tatars even in mosques, - Crimean tatar leader Dzhemilev..."]


Your right the last thing Russia needs is for someone to be stupid and create a martyr. But doyou really think they would use FSB instead if military escort? For my safty much rather have a spetznaz than a spy. ..."


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That would be too obvious, the guy is already on a verge of a mental break down))) LOL


On the other hand, 24/7 guards will come into news sooner or later after 'aimed shooting, supposedly by 'Russian agents" . In a mean time, watching this fellow makes perfect sense, if it was not done so.

What do you think?




edit on 22-4-2014 by darkorange because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: Xcathdra

So....Still unclear. Which part of my comment




Not surprising at all. Just look how long that "123%" rubbish hung around, long after it was shown to be a complete lie.



was untrue? You were pretty damn quick to basically call me a liar, so go ahead, point out the lie.


I explained it to you. Read my last post.

The referendum in Crimea was a fraud. Since Russian nationals were allowed to vote in the referendum, the percentage of voters is disproportionate.



NEW YORK, April 15 (RIA Novosti) – A UN Human Rights report accusing Russia of rigging Crimea’s referendum is propaganda created by Washington, lacking both grounds for credibility and evidence, Paul Craig Roberts, a former Assistant US Treasury Secretary told RIA Novosti Tuesday.

“This orchestrated propaganda has been arranged to serve the US agenda, to discredit the referendum, and to deflect attention away from Washington’s overthrow of the elected democratic government in Kiev and then establishing a ‘stooge’ one,” said Roberts.

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights published a draft report Tuesday, claiming Russia used propaganda, torture, kidnappings and repression of those expressing disagreement or anti-Russian sentiment ahead of the vote.

Although 97 percent of Crimea voters supported the annexation, the results of the last month’s referendum were denounced by the West.

“The referendum was witnessed by a number of international observers, and none of these observers reported anything wrong, but stated everything was honest and fair without any sign of troops or intimidation,” Roberts stressed, noting that even the slightest wrongdoing would have made it to the headlines of American and European newspapers.

“Furthermore, no one can be made to go vote and yet there was something around an 84 percent turnout, obviously volunteer,” he added, speculating that the accusations do not originate with Crimeans or the current government in Kiev.

“The report is not believable, and all the allegations are false,” said Roberts. “It’s an attempt to discredit the self-determination of the people of Crimea. There should be another report criticizing the unelected puppet government appointed by Washington."

“The Russian government can’t accept violence against the Russian population in eastern and southern Ukraine as it could not accept it against the South Ossetians when Georgia invaded,” the expert insisted.

“The crisis is driven by Washington toward war, and this report is just a piece of propaganda to justify it,” he concluded, dismissing the UN document as meaningless and unreliable.

The report also reiterates Ukraine’s refusal to recognize the results of the Crimean referendum, claiming that it was in violation of the country’s Constitution, all the while providing no specific proof for the multiple “concerning cases.”

The UN official report draws on a series of “allegations,” “claims,” “reports,” and “concerns,” repeatedly restating the March 27 decision of the General Assembly that the Crimea referendum “had no validity.”

The incriminating document follows a series of Western claims denouncing Russia’s position on Ukraine and dismissing the results of the Crimean referendum to join Russia as illegitimate.

Although widely denounced by the West, the referendum in Crimea was fully compliant with international law and must be recognized as legitimate, according to the Russian government.



Feel free to point out where I called you a liar. I stated you failed to read the UN report, whose conclusions do not support the argument being made by Pro Russians.

So how about you stop putting words in my mouth.
edit on 22-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: asen_y2k

I would get behind that, it would be nice if ATS had sub-threads. Then you could name the thread something like "Ukraine conflict from Ukrainian perspective" and a sub-thread would be Russia declares war. That's a thread that I'd subscribe to.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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BBC Newshour
The leader of Crimea's Tatars - in #Kiev to meet @VP - tells us there "will be bloodshed" if the region's problems aren't solved.



edit on 22-4-2014 by zilebeliveunknown because: wrong tags



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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Video of alleged Ukranian nationalist throwing a Russian off the bridge.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: zilebeliveunknown

Good thing that bridge appears to be like 6 feet off the ground...I hope he swam to shore ok.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: zilebeliveunknown

BBC Newshour
The leader of Crimea's Tatars - in #Kiev to meet @VP - tells us there "will be bloodshed" if the region's problems aren't solved.




I have little doubt the tatars are not getting thrown out by the Russians again. There only hope of staying is to create a trouble in crimea. They cant fight moscow but they can make life difficult.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr


I have little doubt the tatars are not getting thrown out by the Russians again.

Well, look at it this way...
If you have an extremist on US soil threatening bloodshed, wouldn't you want to jail him or kick him out of the country?



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: zilebeliveunknown
Video of alleged Ukranian nationalist throwing a Russian off the bridge.


Something i noticed as faar as the video we dont know when or where this happened. But read the comments they are talking about killing and destroying ukraine. You can see videos like this are used to stir up hatred which is a tactic used to gain public support. Isnt propaganda fun truth is many of the people commenting sound far more scary than the guy in the mask. Ps does he say hes a NAZI im unclear how everyone seems to know this. Could just be a punk that likes intimidating people throws on a mask and can get away with it. Seems like masks are very popular in ukraine this year.
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 05:54 PM
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Simon Ostrovsky allegedly kidnapped/detained by pro-russian separatists:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.jpost.com...
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: DeadSeraph


Simon Ostrovsky allegedly kidnapped/detained by pro-russian separatists:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.jpost.com...

To acually claim hes with them
Saw something funny hadnt heard the claim that he joined the pro russia movement. I suspect they think hes a russian journalist since he has Russian press pass. Thats actually funny they haven't heard of Vice or his coverage. If they did they wouldnt have tried to detain him as a guest.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr


Could just be a punk that likes intimidating people throws on a mask and can get away with it.

...and throwing random people off the bridge?
Hard to swallow, but I guess anything is possible these days.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 06:53 PM
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originally posted by: zilebeliveunknown
a reply to: dragonridr


Could just be a punk that likes intimidating people throws on a mask and can get away with it.

...and throwing random people off the bridge?
Hard to swallow, but I guess anything is possible these days.


Yeah we had 2 teenagers here decide it was a fun idea to spray paint people until they did it to an undercover cop he didnt find it so funny.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 06:59 PM
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My apologies if this has been posted
Russian Soldiers in Ukraine Hoax or Mars anomaly?
www.liveleak.com...

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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: all2human
My apologies if this has been posted
Russian Soldiers in Ukraine Hoax?
www.liveleak.com...

It's been posted several times few pages back.

Here's good article from BBC trying to dig deeper on the matter.
Ukraine crisis: What the 'Russian soldier' photos say

edit to add: My question would be how a soldier is allowed to have a beard?
edit on 22-4-2014 by zilebeliveunknown because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: zilebeliveunknown

Lots of soldiers have beards... why would Russia be any different?



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 07:28 PM
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originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: zilebeliveunknown
Lots of soldiers have beards... why would Russia be any different?

Don't know, it's new to me.
In my regular army service and in two wars that I've been we were always requiered to be shaved.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 07:40 PM
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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: DeadSeraph

Looks shopped in one or two of those pictures. could we be seeing a iranian level shoop?



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra




Feel free to point out where I called you a liar. I stated you failed to read the UN report, whose conclusions do not support the argument being made by Pro Russians.

So how about you stop putting words in my mouth.


This.



I see you failed to read the UN report on that issue. You should check it before continuing to claim something as truth when in fact its not.


The incredible lengths you'll go to, to avoid admitting that the whole "123% voted" was a total fabrication. Says a lot about you.

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