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Another dead body, near Slavyansk:
tyzhden.ua...

Nearby Slavic found the body , like the missing deputy of Gorlovki
The body of a man , like a stolen few days ago Gorlovskoy council deputy Volodymyr Rybak found in Slavic . The corpse floated in the river Seversky Donets , said Gorlovka.ua.

"Today has come from the Slavic orientation , where a man was found dead , very similar to the MP Gorlovskoy council Volodymyr Rybak, who was kidnapped by unknown people in Gorlivka masked . The body was found on the bank of the Seversky Donets. Now we carry out the investigation , as was previously registered criminal proceedings under Part 2 of the Criminal Code st.146 Ukraine "unlawful imprisonment or kidnapping ," - said the head Gorlovskogo MU Kryschenko Andrew , who is currently on sick leave, but coordinates the work of law enforcement.

" It was hard to recognize. But if he had lain in water for several days, then learn it very , very difficult , but in the DNA. But the body surfaced and can be recognized. Rather, he was killed on April 19. People wanted to cover up the crime, they are prepared , it's not some robbers and drug addicts. What they are unarmed man did this on their conscience , "- said the head of the criminal police Gorlovskogo MU Pristupa Herman , who worked with fishermen.

In this incident conducted preliminary inquiry and taking steps to install the persons involved in the murder .

The press service of the Interior Ministry of the Donetsk region confirmed expression of the body looks like a missing Gorlovskogo deputy.

However, pravohorontsi noted that identification fires must hold a series of investigative actions, and then be concluded that the deceased person .

As previously reported , 18 April Gorlivka stolen council deputy Volodymyr Rybak

originally posted by: BobAthome
You know there is one Country that would have a motive, and benefit from watching US
and Russia go at it.
And they might be using finacial sword of Damacles as well.

plus its what that Chinese sun zoo?? said too do.

,,well i'll let everyone decide,,

"China and the United States have agreed to build a cooperative partnership based on mutual respect and mutual benefit, according to a joint statement issued ..."

"And there is this aswell. "And they worshipped the dragon
which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast, saying,
Who is like unto the beast?
who is able to make war with him?"

Ya who,,

ohh ya i forgot,,





just so you don't think im just picking on , Pres. Obama.

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: renden

Determined not to let a good piece of rhetoric go to waste just because it was untrue and discredited nearly 24 hours ago, Western media outlets are running frenzied stories about Jews in the protester-held Eastern Ukraine cities being forced to register

Not surprising at all. Just look how long that "123%" rubbish hung around, long after it was shown to be a complete lie.

I see you failed to read the UN report on that issue. You should check it before continuing to claim something as truth when in fact its not.

Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR
Russian FSB is watching Crimean Tatars even in mosques, - Crimean tatar leader Dzhemilev @Dbnmjr |EMPR #Crimea #Ukraine #Russia

originally posted by: BobAthome

Lies once told, make it harder too accept what is true.

All claims by Putin
* - Russia will not invade Crimea.
* - Russia will not annex Crimea.
* - Russia has no military forces on the ground in Crimea.
* - Russia has no military forces in Crimea outside of their base.
* - The "green men" are self defense forces.
* - The "green men" are not Russian military.
* - Russia does not have 40k troops on the border of Ukraine.
* - Russia does not have special forces inside Ukraine.
* - Russia does not support the pro Russian forces in Ukraine.
* - Russia has no intention of invading E. / S. Ukraine.

If you want to go tit for tat on liars be my guest.

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: asen_y2k

#Sloviansk #Ukraine "People's Mayor" said that his men took American @vicenews journalist @SimonOstrovsky hostage.

That's no good. Let's hope he gets out of there ok, maybe he can get some "secret" footage..

Canada actually booted the Russian ambassador out of Canada sometime back.

a reply to: Xcathdra

"If you want to go tit for tat on liars be my guest. "
id rather focus on the truth,, its harder but carries its own reward.

( unless your a lawyer. )

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: Xcathdra

id rather focus on the truth,, its harder but carries its own reward.

Agreed - its why I posted the list of Putins lies.

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now we have a change in language used -

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The latest news from the OSCE monitoring mission:
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This update is provided for the media and the public.

The second day of Easter passed quietly in the overwhelming majority of Ukrainian regions, including Odessa and Kherson. Huge tension remained in Donbas (Donetsk and Luhansk districts) related to the activities of opponents of the Government, some of whom were armed, and due to the continued occupation of administrative buildings. The situation was cause for increased concern in Luhansk, where local separatists elected their own governor and called for a referendum on joining Russia.

In Kharkiv, police presence was notably enhanced and major city centre streets as well as two metro stations were closed due to an anti-Maidan rally on Liberty Square. The Special Monitoring Mission also observed a rally where participants elected a so-called “people’s government”. The demonstration gathered a smaller number of participants (around 500 at peak times) than during previous weekends. The protesters, mostly middle-aged workers and pensioners, called for the resignation of the city mayor and prosecutor as well as the return of Viktor Yanukovych. They also elected their own “governor” – Volodymyr Varshavsky. The worsening economic situation was mentioned as a major concern and motivating factor for participating in the demonstration.

On 20 April the Special Monitoring Mission visited a roadblock near Rayhorodka village (45 km northeast of Luhansk) manned by approximately ten people (men and women) in civilian clothes, including the local Orthodox priest. They stated that they were residents of Rayhorodka and set up the roadblock on 14 April to protect the area from the separatists. According to the local commander of the Ukrainian army, no serious incidents at the roadblock had occurred so far, but they could see unknown armed individuals in civilian clothes approaching the roadblock at night.

On the evening of 20 April, in Luhansk, leaflets were posted calling on inhabitants to join a demonstration on 21 April in front of the occupied state security service (SBU) building. The agenda of the rally envisioned voting for new deputies that would represent the people of Luhansk district as well as calling for a referendum on 11 May. The referendum would offer three options: be part of a Ukrainian Federation, join the Russian Federation or remain part of a unitary Ukraine. The leaflet also included a warning addressed to the interim government not to make an attempt to halt activities of the demonstrators – otherwise Russia would be asked to send troops to protect the local population.

On 21 April, the monitors observed a reinforcement of the barricade with sandbags at various locations around the perimeter of the occupied SBU building. Hand-drawn posters around the barricade were gradually being replaced with professionally produced banners. A public meeting outside the SBU building began at 10:00. The protesters – initially about 300 people – remained peaceful. Some of the participants within the cordons were openly displaying hand-held weapons. By 15:00, the crowd reached about 1,500 people. Speakers reiterated that they were not separatists and sought a peaceful solution, which would allow Luhansk to remain within Ukraine.

In Donetsk, on 21 April at 09:30, the Special Monitoring Mission met with the Mayor in order to discuss the situation in the city and region. The team visited also the towns of Makiyivka and Khartsysk, both in close proximity to Donetsk.

In Makiyivka the team noticed the presence of a flag of the so-called Donetsk People's Republic as well as four unmasked and unarmed individuals in front of the main entrance of the Town Hall. They introduced themselves as locals protecting the building from looting and rendering assistance to the local administration police. The representative of the group claimed that the men had thwarted several attempts of vandalism perpetrated by supporters of the Government. Inside the building the team observed around fifteen unarmed and unmasked individuals – some of them wearing flak jackets and carrying batons.

In Khartsysk, the Town Hall was also found to be occupied and surrounded by a barricade of tires and wood manned by five unarmed and unmasked people sitting by the main entrance. The monitors observed several armed men in uniforms exiting and entering the building bearing “Berkut” laminated badges on their chests with the official Ukrainian coat of arms as well as St. George ribbons. Similarly to in Makiyivka, the men explained their presence in the vicinity of the Town Hall as a necessity to provide security to the local institutions.

In Kramatorsk, monitors of the Special Monitoring Mission talked to witnesses who were able to confirm reports that armed individuals who called themselves supporters of the so-called “Donetsk Republic” entered the premises of Kramatorsk police department and abducted its head, Colonel Vitaliy Kolupai, who is being kept against his will.

In other parts of the country – including the cities of Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Chernivtsi, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv and Kyiv and the respective districts - the situation remained calm with regular police presence. Everywhere people celebrated the second day of Easter. The Chernivtsi team visited an area close to the border of Romania (Krasnoilisk, around 43 south-west of Chernivtsi). People they met on the street were concerned about the situation in the East and the deteriorating security of the country. They voiced no complaints regarding their right to use minority languages, but were dissatisfied with the high level of corruption (including in health care), the economic situation of the state as well as the vulnerability of its economy towards the Russian Federation.

The Lviv team met with the Head of the Right Sector in the city. He declared that all activities of the Right Sector were aimed at supporting the efforts to enhance the defense of the country (including. registering volunteers, providing them with basic physical training without weapons) and that they were co-ordinated with the National Security Council of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Armed Forces. He also asserted that the Right Sector had dissolved its militant wing. It was transforming into a political party and did not consider itself to be a part of the "armed groups" mentioned in the Geneva Statement.

Also in Kyiv, the situation was calm. The Special Monitoring Mission visited a chief ataman of a Cossack organization in hospital who had been beaten three days earlier.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: renden

Determined not to let a good piece of rhetoric go to waste just because it was untrue and discredited nearly 24 hours ago, Western media outlets are running frenzied stories about Jews in the protester-held Eastern Ukraine cities being forced to register

Not surprising at all. Just look how long that "123%" rubbish hung around, long after it was shown to be a complete lie.

I see you failed to read the UN report on that issue. You should check it before continuing to claim something as truth when in fact its not.[/quoteE

even Pushilin himself confirmed that the flyers, marked with the emblem of his organization, were really distributed in Donetsk. He just said some idiot did this in a couple of areas without his permission or approval. but thats not the point of the leaflets the leaflets show how many Pro russians attack jews and tatars like in the un report. Doesnt matter it was official only that someone did it to harass and scare.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Ok now the pro russians are using biological warfare you know you can really get sick from raw eggs lol . On the plus side i heard egg is good for your hair.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I see you failed to read the UN report on that issue. You should check it before continuing to claim something as truth when in fact its not.

Ok. Now you've lost me . Are you still claiming that 123% voted? That it wasn't just some idiot blogger who fudged the numbers?

Also read this its on the funerals of the 3 that were killed over the weekend two things struck me as odd in the article.

There was still confusion over the events of late Saturday evening that led to the deaths of the three men.

Anatoly P. Khmelyevoy, the first secretary of the Communist Party in Slovyansk, produced a bullhorn shortly after the service and, standing on the steps of the church, claimed that one of the men had been stabbed to death and not shot by a sniper, as previously reported.

The claim produced shouts of disagreement from the crowd.

Another man, dressed in fatigues and wearing a face mask over a pair of eyeglasses, grabbed the bullhorn from Mr. Khmelyevoy.

“I was in that battle,” he said. “There were snipers! There was a machine-gunner!”

So which is it stabbed a sniper or a machine gunner? And this it appears a priest doesnt lie.

After the coffins were loaded into buses for transport to a cemetery, the senior priest of the city’s Orthodox Church, who had helped conduct the service, expressed concern that the divisions in the city could be lasting.

“Many people here are trying to drive a wedge into society,” said the priest, Father Nikolai, who only uses one name. “Some are residents of this city. Some are from West Ukraine. Some are representatives of other countries.”

“The kind of animosity that is growing here could last forever,” he added.

www.nytimes.com... =MoreInSection&pgtype=article

originally posted by: Dutzy

Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR
Russian FSB is watching Crimean Tatars even in mosques, - Crimean tatar leader Dzhemilev @Dbnmjr |EMPR #Crimea #Ukraine #Russia

He is paranoid. The only time he is 'watched' is at the border. I understand his rage, no doubt. At the same time, his view and political rhetoric is aimed to bring havoc into society that only now has started to feel secure and realize how close the moment of peace that's in their minds is.

Least thing to do would be to allow another mouth piece with ethnic dominating authority in Crimea while the region is in transition for overall stabilization.

Besides, him being watched could be for his own safety. How convenient it might have been if he had died of a right out assault by 'Russian agents'? This would certainly put Tatar community in a violent rebel mode, won't it?






cheers and peace

originally posted by: darkorange

originally posted by: Dutzy

Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR
Russian FSB is watching Crimean Tatars even in mosques, - Crimean tatar leader Dzhemilev @Dbnmjr |EMPR #Crimea #Ukraine #Russia

He is paranoid. The only time he is 'watched' is at the border. I understand his rage, no doubt. At the same time, his view and political rhetoric is aimed to bring havoc into society that only now has started to feel secure and realize how close the moment of peace that's in their minds is.

Least thing to do would be to allow another mouth piece with ethnic dominating authority in Crimea while the region is in transition for overall stabilization.

Besides, him being watched could be for his own safety. How convenient it might have been if he had died of a right out assault by 'Russian agents'? This would certainly put Tatar community in a violent rebel mode, won't it?






cheers and peace

Your right the last thing Russia needs is for someone to be stupid and create a martyr. But doyou really think they would use FSB instead if military escort? For my safty much rather have a spetznaz than a spy.

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: Xcathdra

I see you failed to read the UN report on that issue. You should check it before continuing to claim something as truth when in fact its not.

Ok. Now you've lost me . Are you still claiming that 123% voted? That it wasn't just some idiot blogger who fudged the numbers?

No I am saying the investigation into Ukraine also included the elections in Crimea, where the UN report shows it was anything but valid. The 123%, while debunked over an error by the person who posted the info, is still a valid issue since the report notes Russian citizens were allowed to vote in the Crimea referendum. That can create percentages over the norm.

UN Final Report on Crimea - Presented April 15th 2014
Report - PDF file

Russian response -
OPINION: UN Report on Rigged Crimean Referendum US Ploy Against Russia


I will note Russia is doing to the UN what it did to Crimea.

They have no issues using the UN so long as it works in their favor. When something doesn't work, Russia abandons it and cries foul. They did the same thing with the 2004 Ukraine constitution. They used it for part of their justification then dismissed it when it didn't work.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: darkorange

originally posted by: Dutzy

Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR
Russian FSB is watching Crimean Tatars even in mosques, - Crimean tatar leader Dzhemilev @Dbnmjr |EMPR #Crimea #Ukraine #Russia

He is paranoid. The only time he is 'watched' is at the border. I understand his rage, no doubt. At the same time, his view and political rhetoric is aimed to bring havoc into society that only now has started to feel secure and realize how close the moment of peace that's in their minds is.

Least thing to do would be to allow another mouth piece with ethnic dominating authority in Crimea while the region is in transition for overall stabilization.

Besides, him being watched could be for his own safety. How convenient it might have been if he had died of a right out assault by 'Russian agents'? This would certainly put Tatar community in a violent rebel mode, won't it?






cheers and peace

Your right the last thing Russia needs is for someone to be stupid and create a martyr. But doyou really think they would use FSB instead if military escort? For my safty much rather have a spetznaz than a spy.

That would be too obvious, the guy is already on a verge of a mental break down))) LOL

a reply to: Xcathdra

So....Still unclear. Which part of my comment

Not surprising at all. Just look how long that "123%" rubbish hung around, long after it was shown to be a complete lie.

was untrue? You were pretty damn quick to basically call me a liar, so go ahead, point out the lie.