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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 11:44 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Just a comment about some previous posts and relationship between Turkey and Russia.
There is no animosity there, utter nonsense. It is not in Turkey's interest to support actions against Russia
and to support any eventual protests of Tatars in Crimea.
Why?

2 Reasons:

1. Russia supplies around 60% of Turkey's natural gas needs and demand is growing with proposal from Turkey for another pipeline going to Europe near Turkey's coast.

'The threat of a Russian natural gas cutoff to Ukraine has lit a fire under Turkey, one of Moscow's biggest energy clients. Roughly 60 percent of Turkey's natural gas supply comes from Russia through two primary routes, and 12.5 percent of that supply could be at risk if Russia punishes Ukraine and its downstream customers. Rather than pushing Turkey into a desperate and urgent search for alternatives to Russian energy, the events in Ukraine are forcing Turkey to consider ways to solidify its energy relationship with Russia.'

www.naturalgaseurope.com...

2. Kurds

Turkey is well aware that any deterioration on its part in relationship with Russia might cause internal havoc in Turkey. Any meddling regarding Crimea's Tatars and access to Black Sea would make Russia take aggressive stand in regards to status of Kurds in Turkey and last thing Turkey want is Russia arming Kurds.

Turkey is smart enough not to cause any trouble to jeopardize relationship with Russia.


Please show me where you got the information that 60 percent of turkeys gas comes from Russia the closest i could find was 12.5 percent. according to Turkeys energy commissioner.In fact has put forth a major effert a couple of years ago they are using there own gas and oil hoping to severely limit there needs of foreign gas.Here is the funny part Turkeys goal is to become a hub for imports from Russia the middle east and africa. They want to resell the gas is there goal not use it for themselves. And well Turkey is the perfect country as far as location to do just that watch they will sign a deal with Ukraine wants it stabilizes again more supply for clients.



so you did not read the link I posted, I am disappointed.
12.5% comes through Ukraine.

And the news is

ANKARA, Turkey, April 21 (UPI) -- Turkish Energy Minister Taner Yildiz said Monday his country agreed to increase gas capacity through the Blue Stream pipeline by more than 18 percent.
Yildiz said Monday from Ankara his country would take on more natural gas from Russia at what he said was an affordable price.



www.upi.com...


Great relationship and business as usual.


You misunderstand the question Turkey is a gas exporter what they receive and what they use is two different they buy gas to export. This is why they just recently told Russia they need to lower their charges a couple of days ago and Russia said no so expect them to buy less from Russia as a result.Because they have to be able to make money on the resale of gas. In fact currently trying to up their rates to Israel probably as a result of the Ukraine upheavel.



'Turkish gas consumption is expected to reach 47.6 billion cubic meters this year, Okan Yardimci an official from Turkey's energy market regulator EPDK told a conference in Istanbul Tuesday.
Of this, 57% is expected to be supplied by Russia'

www.platts.com...

clear now?


Your source is talking total imports it was also an estimate andit was wrong i found something even later that contradicts it. What i want is internal consumption numbers i found some Botas numbers but thats not the entire country. This however contradicts what you posted since gas imports didnt reach near the levels in your article.It was an estimate and it was wrong take a look. The reason why im curious about the 60 percent is because it claimed the largest importer of russian gas was Germany at 38 percent. This tells me that Turkey is exporting a large percentage of russian gas in Botas case appears to be 73 percent of what they buy.

www.oilandgaseurasia.com...



Not to mention the article is from October 2013




posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: cosmonova

Sure I am ok with it. So is Ukraine, the EU as well as Russia.

what's your issue with it?



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 12:03 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Just a comment about some previous posts and relationship between Turkey and Russia.
There is no animosity there, utter nonsense. It is not in Turkey's interest to support actions against Russia
and to support any eventual protests of Tatars in Crimea.
Why?

2 Reasons:

1. Russia supplies around 60% of Turkey's natural gas needs and demand is growing with proposal from Turkey for another pipeline going to Europe near Turkey's coast.

'The threat of a Russian natural gas cutoff to Ukraine has lit a fire under Turkey, one of Moscow's biggest energy clients. Roughly 60 percent of Turkey's natural gas supply comes from Russia through two primary routes, and 12.5 percent of that supply could be at risk if Russia punishes Ukraine and its downstream customers. Rather than pushing Turkey into a desperate and urgent search for alternatives to Russian energy, the events in Ukraine are forcing Turkey to consider ways to solidify its energy relationship with Russia.'

www.naturalgaseurope.com...

2. Kurds

Turkey is well aware that any deterioration on its part in relationship with Russia might cause internal havoc in Turkey. Any meddling regarding Crimea's Tatars and access to Black Sea would make Russia take aggressive stand in regards to status of Kurds in Turkey and last thing Turkey want is Russia arming Kurds.

Turkey is smart enough not to cause any trouble to jeopardize relationship with Russia.


Please show me where you got the information that 60 percent of turkeys gas comes from Russia the closest i could find was 12.5 percent. according to Turkeys energy commissioner.In fact has put forth a major effert a couple of years ago they are using there own gas and oil hoping to severely limit there needs of foreign gas.Here is the funny part Turkeys goal is to become a hub for imports from Russia the middle east and africa. They want to resell the gas is there goal not use it for themselves. And well Turkey is the perfect country as far as location to do just that watch they will sign a deal with Ukraine wants it stabilizes again more supply for clients.



so you did not read the link I posted, I am disappointed.
12.5% comes through Ukraine.

And the news is

ANKARA, Turkey, April 21 (UPI) -- Turkish Energy Minister Taner Yildiz said Monday his country agreed to increase gas capacity through the Blue Stream pipeline by more than 18 percent.
Yildiz said Monday from Ankara his country would take on more natural gas from Russia at what he said was an affordable price.



www.upi.com...


Great relationship and business as usual.


You misunderstand the question Turkey is a gas exporter what they receive and what they use is two different they buy gas to export. This is why they just recently told Russia they need to lower their charges a couple of days ago and Russia said no so expect them to buy less from Russia as a result.Because they have to be able to make money on the resale of gas. In fact currently trying to up their rates to Israel probably as a result of the Ukraine upheavel.



'Turkish gas consumption is expected to reach 47.6 billion cubic meters this year, Okan Yardimci an official from Turkey's energy market regulator EPDK told a conference in Istanbul Tuesday.
Of this, 57% is expected to be supplied by Russia'

www.platts.com...

clear now?


Your source is talking total imports it was also an estimate andit was wrong i found something even later that contradicts it. What i want is internal consumption numbers i found some Botas numbers but thats not the entire country. This however contradicts what you posted since gas imports didnt reach near the levels in your article.It was an estimate and it was wrong take a look. The reason why im curious about the 60 percent is because it claimed the largest importer of russian gas was Germany at 38 percent. This tells me that Turkey is exporting a large percentage of russian gas in Botas case appears to be 73 percent of what they buy.

www.oilandgaseurasia.com...



Not to mention the article is from October 2013


lol, are you saying there is a big difference in percentage of imported natural gas from Russia, a few months later?
Actually you might be right.
Fresh from press

ANKARA: Turkey has agreed “in principle” to increase shipments of natural gas from Russia via the Blue Stream pipeline, its energy minister said on Monday.

The two countries will increase capacity through the pipeline, which crosses the Black Sea, from 16 billion cubic metres annually to 19bn cubic metres, said Energy Minister Taner Yildiz.

“We reached an agreement in principle with the Russian Federation,” he was quoted as saying by the Hurriyet newspaper, adding that a new contract could be signed with Moscow to buy gas at a “reasonable price” with the involvement of the private sector.

The minister’s comments came ahead of a meeting with Gazprom deputy head Alexander Medvedev scheduled for late Monday.

The energy minister said on Friday that Turkey would ask for a discount on the price of the gas it buys from Russia, without specifying an amount.

Turkey, which has very few energy resources of its own, is heavily dependent on gas and oil imports from Russia.—AFP

m.dawn.com...



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: cosmonova

Sure I am ok with it. So is Ukraine, the EU as well as Russia.

what's your issue with it?



not sure what are you referring too, please clarify.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 12:11 AM
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originally posted by: SurrenderingAmerica
a reply to: cosmonova

A bit more info on Turkish gas.

from Apr 17th 2014:


Natural gas accounts for an increasing share of the energy mix in Turkey, and it has overtaken oil to become the most important fuel in terms of volume consumed. Although the Turkish government supports developing the country as a natural gas export hub, Turkey is extremely vulnerable to supply disruptions and may have insufficient pipeline capacity to keep up with both greater exports and increasing domestic demand.


Consumption and imports


In 2011, Turkey's electric power sector accounted for just under half (48%) of the country's natural gas use. The industrial and residential sectors each accounted for approximately 20%. Natural gas demand peaks in the winter months, when natural gas use for power generation and space heating is highest. Demand during winter months can be double the demand during summer months. Given Turkey's low capacity for natural gas storage to meet its seasonal demand swings, the country relies primarily on increased imports to meet the seasonal increases in demand.


eia.gov


yeah i read this but to cut down on there electricity use they now get electricity from Iran and converted plants over to coal if you bothered to read what people wrote you would know i said this already. Meaning they dont use gas for electricity anymore. Assuming 3 years ago that there usage by individuals havent changed we have about 20 percent internally may be increased to say 30 or so. Which is why everyone says germany is the biggest user as the claims i read at 38 percent of their energy needs it makes sense thanks for the article.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 12:11 AM
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Reporting from the fields in Ukraine MI 6 operatives are warning PM Cameron

'Spy chiefs have warned that any British or Western military action in Ukraine risks spiralling into an all-out war with Russia, reports the Sunday People.
The head of MI6, known as C, is understood to have told Prime Minster David Cameron that Russian President Vladimir Putin will not “stand idly by” if the West sends troops to support the Ukrainian government.
One senior source said: “The basic message is that it’s not worth starting World War Three over Ukraine.”
Nato chiefs are considering options ranging from economic sanctions against Russia to ­offers of military assistance.
But MI6 agents and Defence Intelligence Staff on the ground warn that the crisis could turn into a violent civil war with much of eastern Ukraine ­declaring independence and effectively joining Russia.
Unarmed British teams have been moving around the country covertly monitoring border crossing points and towns where Russian support is ­strongest to “clarify Putin’s intentions”.



www.mirror.co.uk...



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 12:43 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

LMAO!

So how does one 'get electricity' from Iran?
Furthermore, would you suggest that it's a good idea to close off the Black Sea to Russia if Iran is your major supplier of 'electricity'?



Fossil fuel and hydroelectricity generation accounts for nearly all of Turkey's electricity. Fossil fuel sources account for the largest share of electricity generation, with natural gas as the most important source.

^^ You were saying?



Fossil fuels
Fossil fuel sources have historically been Turkey's largest power source. Natural gas-fired power plants have increased substantially in the past decade and now comprise more than half of the country's fossil fuel generation (43% of total generation in 2012). There are plans to build additional gas-fired generators, although the construction of these plants will depend on government policy and whether enough natural gas supply is available.




Data presented in the text are the most recent available as of April 17, 2014.


lol why should I have to abide by your link that only has 4 sentences?

Oh, If you want to go down the Nuclear/coal route, we can. . . but you won't like who it's with lol.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:07 AM
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Hey, guys. Back in the saddle.
Nice little piece of news, the SBU releases info stating that an FSB contacted and possibly recruited an Ukrainian citizen, that was instructed to contact leaders of several organisations, including Sasha White, the dead Right Sector, killed in the Rivne region, in order to set up smuggling for small arms. The news piece contains a Skype video conversation between the 2 people named above:


They were told that in 2012 the FSB colonel Alexei Alexandrovich Chepik recruited citizen of Ukraine "On". As evidence, issued a communication in Skype, which took place in January and February of this year, reports TSN.

Chepik instructed citizen "O" to make contact with activists and leadership UNA-UNSO, including Sasha White.

And if possible, most join the ranks of the organization. The next plan was to be smuggled small arms supplies to Russia. It should be done under the supervision of the FSB. However, once the goods have got to Russia, its suppliers be arrested or killed. And then to put forward claims to Ukraine to undermine its international image.

Currently, the SBU is given if he managed to keep someone in the conspiracy. Earlier, the SBU detained separatists, who had planned to organize a riot in the Donetsk region.

As you know, Member of the Sector Muzychko Alexander, known as Sasha White, died in Rivne region.

The police claim that Muzychko was a member of RAM and was in roshuku. First, security officials said his mortally wounded during the arrest, as he opened fire in the direction of Special Forces soldiers Falcon, who tried to detain him.

Then MIA stverdzhvuvaly that Muzychko shot himself.

Local advocates for human sector, however, said that the police version is false and has vowed to avenge his head MIA Arsen Avakov.

In addition, the "right sector" deny information that White had inflicted fatal injuries.


www.unian.ua...



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:15 AM
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Roma inhabitants of Slavyansk robbed by armed, masked men and told to leave the town.

www.nytimes.com...



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:19 AM
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Info from Slavyansk from Simon Ostrovsky, VICE news reporter now in E. Ukraine:


Simon Ostrovsky ‏@SimonOstrovsky 21h

Former owner of Mitsubishi SUV in Sloviansk shooting says he sold it on Saturday but won't describe buyer, hasn't heard from police



Simon Ostrovsky ‏@SimonOstrovsky 20h

Interesting side note on former SUV owner. He called me himself this morning after not picking up the phone last night to find out who I was



Simon Ostrovsky ‏@SimonOstrovsky 15h

Sloviansk pro-Russia 'mayor' threatens to throw journalist out for "provocative" question about former mayor being held under guard



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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:24 AM
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OSCE press release on E. Ukraine on 21st of April:
www.osce.org...

This update is provided for the media and the public.

Over the holiday weekend the situation in the western and central Ukraine was calm. Tensions remained in the Donbas - the separatists continued the occupation of the building of the state security service (SBU) in Luhansk as well as several other administrative buildings in Donetsk Oblast. Due to the proximity to this region, the situation in parts of southern and eastern Ukraine remains tense. Both proponents of the unitary Ukraine and separatists declared that their implementation of the Geneva statement depends on the mutual, synchronized disarmament and vacation of buildings.

The situation in Kharkiv remained calm over the weekend. A meeting of anti-Maidan groups on Liberty Square was conducted peacefully. Police presence in the city centre had been notably enhanced, but forces kept a low profile with very few wearing riot gear.

The monitors in Luhansk were approached on several occasions by spontaneous assembled groups, expressing their views. They challenged the position of the Government, and regarded the Geneva Statement as not being relevant to them or likely to be ineffective. In their assessment, a division of Ukraine or union with Russia would be the most likely way to achieve an acceptable quality of life. The team did not find any indications that the Geneva Statement was starting to be implemented in the Luhansk region. Occupants of the SBU building told the team that they would demobilize once the occupied buildings in Kiev were vacated.

The overall situation in Donetsk remained very tense. Occupation of state institutions was ongoing. The Deputy Chief Monitor of Special Monitoring Mission visited Donetsk and met with various local interlocutors. Activists manning the barricades expressed a friendly interest in the Geneva Statement.

In Sloviansk the entire town is under the control of armed groups. The security situation is assessed as deteriorating, and operating conditions for OSCE teams are marginal. The reported shooting incident of 20 April early morning is a worrying deterioration of the situation. Due to unpredictable security risks, it was not possible for the Special Monitoring Mission to reach the scene of the incident in the immediate aftermath of the incident on April 20. However, SMM aims to access the town on Monday April 21.

On 19 April in the morning the monitors from the Kharkiv and Donetsk teams visited Sloviansk. Before reaching the town, they observed multiple checkpoints, each manned by dozens of individuals, most unarmed and unmasked. According to the head of the local branch of the Communist Party, a wish to live in a federal Ukraine was shared by many Sloviansk people. The interlocutor also indicated a significant rise in crime after the take-over of the town by the separatists. Before entering the occupied Town Administration, the monitors observed the heavily barricaded and fortified entrance hall, and the numerous armed and masked individuals present.

Reportedly, local authorities are conducting negotiations at a number of the occupied buildings, in particular in Mariupol and Horlivka. In Mariupol, reports indicate that two out of three groups have left the city hall.

In Makiivka, the city administration building is being “guarded” by some 20 men, but appears to be functioning. OSCE monitors succeeded in entering the building. The building was in good shape, clean and the offices were locked and sealed. Occupiers have been in control of the city administration as of 13 April. There are no barricades and a few persons are guarding the building. There are flags and symbols of the separatists. The city administration is apparently operational.

In Khartsyzk, occupiers are in control of the city administration building. The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission observed barricades. There were men in front of the building, some of whom were wearing uniforms.

On 19 April, at 11:00, the team spoke to the Commander of the Main Police Station in Horlivka (around 40 km north-east of Donetsk), representing the so-called People’s Militia of Donbas. In front of the building the Team observed a group of young men with police metal shields controlling access to the building. Some of them appeared to be as young as 15-16 years old. According to the commander, who was aware of OSCE Special Monitoring Mission’s role, the Police Station had about 50 volunteers (men and women) in the building, on the street and inside the barricades.

The general situation in the Dnepropetrovsk area remained calm and quiet at present. However, some tensions existed and the team monitored a checkpoint under construction, located at the junction to Vilne village on the E105 road to Kharkiv in front of the local administration building. It was manned by three regular district police officers and a civilian. The police officers were carrying automatic weapons; the civilian was unarmed. None of the personnel, to whom the team talked, were aware of the Geneva Statement, and had not received any instructions to remove checkpoints.

According to the Deputy Head of the National Defense – a paramilitary structure, supporting the Kyiv government – there were, as of 19 April, nine checkpoints around the city itself and 26 in total throughout the oblast. The interlocutor made reference to Russian military in civilian clothes in the Dnepropetrovsk region, some of them allegedly armed.

The situation in Kherson and Odessa remained calm. The Kherson team visited the water gate to the channel supplying water to Crimea (at Kalanchak, 85 km south-east of Kherson). According to the gate operator, 85 per cent of the water for Crimea moved through this gate and the present flow was about one third of that noted in the previous year.

In Odessa the team spoke to a group of approximately ten activists of the pro-Maidan Self Defense about their opinion of the Geneva Statement. Overall, they perceived the agreement as a temporary inhibiting factor, but not as a decisive mechanism to solve the current situation. They insisted that the separatists in the East should first leave the buildings which they had occupied. The team asked also two leaders of the local anti-Maidan movement for their view on the Geneva agreements. They were skeptical about its chances, or that the government would implement it. From their point of view, the most important elements of a political solution were immediate freedom of all political prisoners and disarming/disbanding mercenaries brought into Odessa Oblast from other regions.

The anti-Maidan leaders also insisted, that the Kyiv Maidan and Right Sector should disarm first and a referendum at the regional level on constitutional reforms be conducted. They aimed not at secession, but at the establishment of a wider federative state called “Novorossija” within Ukraine.

In the western Ukrainian cities of Chernivtsi, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv a festive atmosphere reigned. The Head of the Right Sector in the Lviv Oblast, who talked to the monitors on 20 April, denied responsibility for the attack in Sloviansk the previous night. The interlocutor added that information reported on Right Sector symbols worn by attackers might indicate that the attack was an operation of the Russian FSB with the intention to discredit the Right Sector.

Also in Kyiv, the atmosphere was calm. Parts of the Maidan Square had been cleared up and looked m

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posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:24 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: cosmonova

The only violence that occurred was by the security forces under Yanukovych's command.



You seem to wear blinders...



Besides, just recently there was an independent review of the shootings on Maidan, the review being conducted by German journalists. There seems to be overwhelming evidence that the shootings of unarmed protestors was done NOT by Janukovich´s snipers, but by snipers of the opposition.

Sorry, in German:


www.liveleak.com...



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:29 AM
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More info on Irma Kraton, journalist/Maidan activist reporting in Slavyansk captured and detained by separatists:
pressimus.com...

Vice News, in an article entitled "Press Conferences in Eastern Ukraine Have Been Getting Weirder and Weirder," reports:

On Monday, militias in Sloviansk paraded Irma Krat, a 29-year-old Ukrainian journalist and activist they have been holding since Sunday, before a crowd of journalists. The city was the setting of a deadly shoot-out during the weekend, which killed at least three people.

An armed, masked man led out a blindfolded Krat, took the scarf off from around her face and allowed her to address reporters, then blindfolded her once again, and escorted her away.

But, he claimed, the group was not holding her “against her will.”

The videos below show Krat speaking to reporters. Her expired press credentials are shown in the second video.

Several videos in the report show Krat, sometimes blindfolded and sometimes not, speaking to the press. Krat says she's cold, but "ok," and she's been given food and water. She is accused of being a "spy" involved in "war crimes."

Another journalist, freelancer Serhiy Lefter, is reportedly missing, though Krat, obviously under duress, said that she did not know if Lefter was being held by the separatists.

On Sunday, Krat addressed reporters while blindfolded. At some point a loud bang or gunshot can be heard.


Estonian president expresses outrage after seeing the news:


toomas hendrik ilves ✔ @IlvesToomas
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Separatists take journo hostage, blindfold her, parade before media. Al Qaeda? Where's the outrage? news.vice.com... … via @vicenews





posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:33 AM
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After Jewish leaflet scandal, Anti-semitic television launched broadcasting in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Gorlivka and others:
pressimus.com...

The Euroasian Jewish Congress (eajc.org) has posted a video said to be from the armed pro-Russian separatists from the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic" who have taken power in Slavyansk (Sloviansk) and seized the television tower that broadcasts to Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Gorlovka (Horlivka), Makeyevka and other towns in the Donetsk Region. The separatists have shut down Ukrainian television channels and begun broadcasting Russian Federation TV.

On 20 April, the separatists launched their own channel using the frequency of the Ukrainian channel Inter, and posted their introductory video on the Internet. In the video, the separatists proclaim their mission, an excerpt of which The Interpreter has translated:

"Here, from Slavyansk, we will strike a most powerful information conceptual blow against the Biblical matrix...through our television broadcasting against zombie-broadcasting...Zionist zombie-broadcasting...the Zionist zombie-box..."


The video continues with the airing of a lecture of the late Konstantin Petrov, a retired general of the Soviet rocket and space forces who led a Russian nationalist neo-pagan sect with antisemitic and Stalinist views who created a political party called "Course of Truth and Unification." A "Donetsk People's Republic" activist explains that this will reveal to the audience how they are ruled globally and locally.


The video in the article:



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:34 AM
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a reply to: cm23

There seems to be overwhelming evidence that the shootings of unarmed protestors was done NOT by Janukovich´s snipers, but by snipers of the opposition.


Whom we now have evidence were in the employ of FSB. (See above.)



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:36 AM
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a reply to: Dutzy

Yes, we all know what people really mean when they talk about "standing up to the banksters." Here comes the traditional Russian pogrom.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:40 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: cm23

There seems to be overwhelming evidence that the shootings of unarmed protestors was done NOT by Janukovich´s snipers, but by snipers of the opposition.


Whom we now have evidence were in the employ of FSB. (See above.)


So at the day of the shootings the FSB was in Hotel Ukraina? The place that was fully in control of the opposition?? Apparently you are not aware of the findings of the German journalists!



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 01:45 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Very interesting fact, I have just discovered in a book I am currently reading on the situation of the Jewish ethnics in Romania prior and during WW2, regarding the situation of Jews in Russia:

Even from the times of Czarist Russia, Jews were seldomly allowed to establish homes in actual Russian land, most of the living in a so-called "residence area", that was composed from Ukraine, Belarus, Eastern Poland. Many of whom left and settled in more Western territories. As an example, at the beginning of the 19th century, in Romania were about 3-4k Jewish families, roughly about 12k people, from census documents of the time, that had been already living here. Around the year 1850, after the european revolutions, that number increases to roughly 200k+ people, most of them running from Russian pogroms. And later to around 300k, around 1877-1880, after Romanian independence was recognized, following our involvement in the Russian-Turkish war 1877-1878, which we call the Independence war.



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:00 AM
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Also, the current Russian claims of guarding the well-being of Russian nationals in E. Ukraine and Crimea and others of the sort, are very similar to those made by the USSR prior to the annexation of Basarabia(Moldova), N. Bucovina, taken from Romania, in June of 1940. Even the operating procedure is very similar: civil unrests, made by small numbers of communists/communist sympatizers, attacking Romanian troops and citizens, as they were retreating after the USSR ultimatum, prior to annexing those territories. And after the event, many of the residents in those areas, including large numbers of those that were actively engaged in supporting USSR's actions, were deported to Siberia.

Just as philosopher poet George Santayana said:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."



posted on Apr, 22 2014 @ 02:03 AM
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Enough with the history lessons. Back to the current events:
24tv.ua...

During meetings to discuss the political situation in the country, held on Sunday Rubizhne and Perevalsk Luhansk region, two police officers were injured.

The press service of the Interior Ministry.

"During the meetings, a group of unidentified persons tried to commit acts of provocation, during which law enforcement has suffered various injuries. Currently, the question of bringing these facts to the Unified Register of pre-trial investigations of inflicting bodily harm a police officer" - ydeetsya in message.

Currently, measures are being taken to establish a malicious person.



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