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posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
People's Republic Novorossia formed in Odessa yesterday.

You will need to use captions for translation

www.youtube.com...




posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Xcathdra

RT ‏@RT_com · 3m
US lawmakers call on sanctions against Gazprom, Russian banks on.rt.com...




Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 4m
#Russia Bans Four #Ukrainian Banks in #Crimea, Including PrivatBank wp.me... | EMPR News




Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 7m
In #Crimea only 1 out of 3villages has gas line supply.1 out of 10solely reliant on imported water supply ru.krymr.com... … @RealCrimea




Christiane Amanpour ‏@camanpour · 11m
“Media is under siege in Ukraine.” That’s the assessment of an @OSCE rep just back from a fact-finding mission: cnn.it...


I saw this earlier on CNN since you brought it up. Its talking about whats going on in Kiev. We dont hear about this very much but they were talking about the protestors in the Maiden see in the east they believe they are illegally grabbing buildings and there explaining the difference,Bottom line is pro russians are illegally taking over buildings while in Kiev the protesters actually signed leases with building owners to use buildings by Maiden and even gotten permits to protest. This makes sense since remeber when right sector did there impromptu rally a couple of weeks ago now and they said they were arrested. The statement was they were arrested for failure to get a permit for the protest.

www.cnn.com...


lol lol lol, everything to justify a violent coup. Well coming from CNN, nothing can surprise us really.

P.S. it is B-52


I dont believe this is justification of anything other than it shows Maiden protestors are following the rules while pro russians are taking public buildings hostage. Unless those russian protester own the building there illegally holding government property.

I know its a b52 but it sure looks like a russian star on the tail section doesnt it. I assumed you added it but maybe not.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Xcathdra

RT ‏@RT_com · 3m
US lawmakers call on sanctions against Gazprom, Russian banks on.rt.com...




Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 4m
#Russia Bans Four #Ukrainian Banks in #Crimea, Including PrivatBank wp.me... | EMPR News




Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 7m
In #Crimea only 1 out of 3villages has gas line supply.1 out of 10solely reliant on imported water supply ru.krymr.com... … @RealCrimea




Christiane Amanpour ‏@camanpour · 11m
“Media is under siege in Ukraine.” That’s the assessment of an @OSCE rep just back from a fact-finding mission: cnn.it...


I saw this earlier on CNN since you brought it up. Its talking about whats going on in Kiev. We dont hear about this very much but they were talking about the protestors in the Maiden see in the east they believe they are illegally grabbing buildings and there explaining the difference,Bottom line is pro russians are illegally taking over buildings while in Kiev the protesters actually signed leases with building owners to use buildings by Maiden and even gotten permits to protest. This makes sense since remeber when right sector did there impromptu rally a couple of weeks ago now and they said they were arrested. The statement was they were arrested for failure to get a permit for the protest.

www.cnn.com...


lol lol lol, everything to justify a violent coup. Well coming from CNN, nothing can surprise us really.

P.S. it is B-52


I dont believe this is justification of anything other than it shows Maiden protestors are following the rules while pro russians are taking public buildings hostage. Unless those russian protester own the building there illegally holding government property.

I know its a b52 but it sure looks like a russian star on the tail section doesnt it. I assumed you added it but maybe not.


apart from killing 30 police officers and injuring hundreds they have not done anything illegal. I guess it was all part of those rules set by cookie lady and warmonger, so you are right they have followed the rules.
And you know what is funny about it?

This

'12:36 GMT:
On Sunday, the Interior Ministry called on former members of the Berkut riot police, which had been branded as thugs and criminals by the new authorities, to return to service.

“We, the members of the board of Ukraine’s Interior Ministry, address the former members of Berkut. You always were the elite of the security forces,” said the statement of the ministry’s website. “On the eve of Orthodox Easter we urge everyone not indifferent to the fate of our country, to reconcile and unite, first of all by social consolidation and stopping the strife and mutual disrespect.”
The Berkut special forces units were dismissed on February 25 by the coup-installed Kiev regime.'

If not pathetic it would be hilarious. Desperate people with no shame.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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Just a comment about some previous posts and relationship between Turkey and Russia.
There is no animosity there, utter nonsense. It is not in Turkey's interest to support actions against Russia
and to support any eventual protests of Tatars in Crimea.
Why?

2 Reasons:

1. Russia supplies around 60% of Turkey's natural gas needs and demand is growing with proposal from Turkey for another pipeline going to Europe near Turkey's coast.

'The threat of a Russian natural gas cutoff to Ukraine has lit a fire under Turkey, one of Moscow's biggest energy clients. Roughly 60 percent of Turkey's natural gas supply comes from Russia through two primary routes, and 12.5 percent of that supply could be at risk if Russia punishes Ukraine and its downstream customers. Rather than pushing Turkey into a desperate and urgent search for alternatives to Russian energy, the events in Ukraine are forcing Turkey to consider ways to solidify its energy relationship with Russia.'

www.naturalgaseurope.com...

2. Kurds

Turkey is well aware that any deterioration on its part in relationship with Russia might cause internal havoc in Turkey. Any meddling regarding Crimea's Tatars and access to Black Sea would make Russia take aggressive stand in regards to status of Kurds in Turkey and last thing Turkey want is Russia arming Kurds.

Turkey is smart enough not to cause any trouble to jeopardize relationship with Russia.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
Just a comment about some previous posts and relationship between Turkey and Russia.
There is no animosity there, utter nonsense. It is not in Turkey's interest to support actions against Russia
and to support any eventual protests of Tatars in Crimea.
Why?

2 Reasons:

1. Russia supplies around 60% of Turkey's natural gas needs and demand is growing with proposal from Turkey for another pipeline going to Europe near Turkey's coast.

'The threat of a Russian natural gas cutoff to Ukraine has lit a fire under Turkey, one of Moscow's biggest energy clients. Roughly 60 percent of Turkey's natural gas supply comes from Russia through two primary routes, and 12.5 percent of that supply could be at risk if Russia punishes Ukraine and its downstream customers. Rather than pushing Turkey into a desperate and urgent search for alternatives to Russian energy, the events in Ukraine are forcing Turkey to consider ways to solidify its energy relationship with Russia.'

www.naturalgaseurope.com...

2. Kurds

Turkey is well aware that any deterioration on its part in relationship with Russia might cause internal havoc in Turkey. Any meddling regarding Crimea's Tatars and access to Black Sea would make Russia take aggressive stand in regards to status of Kurds in Turkey and last thing Turkey want is Russia arming Kurds.

Turkey is smart enough not to cause any trouble to jeopardize relationship with Russia.


Please show me where you got the information that 60 percent of turkeys gas comes from Russia the closest i could find was 12.5 percent. according to Turkeys energy commissioner.In fact has put forth a major effert a couple of years ago they are using there own gas and oil hoping to severely limit there needs of foreign gas.Here is the funny part Turkeys goal is to become a hub for imports from Russia the middle east and africa. They want to resell the gas is there goal not use it for themselves. And well Turkey is the perfect country as far as location to do just that watch they will sign a deal with Ukraine wants it stabilizes again more supply for clients.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 09:25 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Just a comment about some previous posts and relationship between Turkey and Russia.
There is no animosity there, utter nonsense. It is not in Turkey's interest to support actions against Russia
and to support any eventual protests of Tatars in Crimea.
Why?

2 Reasons:

1. Russia supplies around 60% of Turkey's natural gas needs and demand is growing with proposal from Turkey for another pipeline going to Europe near Turkey's coast.

'The threat of a Russian natural gas cutoff to Ukraine has lit a fire under Turkey, one of Moscow's biggest energy clients. Roughly 60 percent of Turkey's natural gas supply comes from Russia through two primary routes, and 12.5 percent of that supply could be at risk if Russia punishes Ukraine and its downstream customers. Rather than pushing Turkey into a desperate and urgent search for alternatives to Russian energy, the events in Ukraine are forcing Turkey to consider ways to solidify its energy relationship with Russia.'

www.naturalgaseurope.com...

2. Kurds

Turkey is well aware that any deterioration on its part in relationship with Russia might cause internal havoc in Turkey. Any meddling regarding Crimea's Tatars and access to Black Sea would make Russia take aggressive stand in regards to status of Kurds in Turkey and last thing Turkey want is Russia arming Kurds.

Turkey is smart enough not to cause any trouble to jeopardize relationship with Russia.


Please show me where you got the information that 60 percent of turkeys gas comes from Russia the closest i could find was 12.5 percent. according to Turkeys energy commissioner.In fact has put forth a major effert a couple of years ago they are using there own gas and oil hoping to severely limit there needs of foreign gas.Here is the funny part Turkeys goal is to become a hub for imports from Russia the middle east and africa. They want to resell the gas is there goal not use it for themselves. And well Turkey is the perfect country as far as location to do just that watch they will sign a deal with Ukraine wants it stabilizes again more supply for clients.



so you did not read the link I posted, I am disappointed.
12.5% comes through Ukraine.

And the news is

ANKARA, Turkey, April 21 (UPI) -- Turkish Energy Minister Taner Yildiz said Monday his country agreed to increase gas capacity through the Blue Stream pipeline by more than 18 percent.
Yildiz said Monday from Ankara his country would take on more natural gas from Russia at what he said was an affordable price.



www.upi.com...


Great relationship and business as usual.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: cosmonova

The 2004 Constitution, the one that is lawful and in effect, allows for streamlined impeachment. I have posted that information along with the simplified procedures.

You guys keep ignoring it because it will not allow you to keep making the same failed argument over and over.

A vote was held for impeachment. That vote met the required number of votes for a 2/3 majority. The return to the 2004 constitution was lawful and approved the moment Yanukovych signed the agreement, as has been pointed out time and again by myself using Russian media sources.

The vote for impeachment was held and met constitutional minimums to remove Yanukovych.

The only reason Russia is going down this road is because its the only thing that comes close to justifying their actions in their world.

The only violence that occurred was by the security forces under Yanukovych's command. Those same security forces that were given sanctuary in Russia when Yanukovych fled.

The government officials were all elected by the Ukrainian people in 2012. Those elections were observed by Russia and according to Russian media were approved by Russia as fair and legitimate. Those same members of parliament are the ones who impeached Yanukovych.

So, are you going to constantly go down this road that has been addressed time and again and constantly ignored by you and other people who are unable to accept the facts? This is what I am talking about. You guys cannot refute the information so you resort to this stupid ass round robin of having the same ridiculous argument over and over and over.

One last time so pay attention -


The agreement signed by the former President and the parliament, in addition to calling for new elections, immediately reverted back the 2004 Constitution (and by immediate, it means just that. There was no time frame for it and there was no law needed. It became effective once the agreement was signed).

Under the 2004 Constitution, it allowed for impeachment using the existing language as well as a streamlined process, which is the part that people are not familiar with.

Voice of Russia - Constitutional reform may downgrade Yanukovych to figurehead president -




Ukraine’s MPs are due to take up drafts constitutional reform today, the drafts that have been prepared by the Batkivshchina and UDAR party factions. The opposition insists on a return to the constitution of 2004 and on setting limits on presidential powers. Meanwhile, the EU Foreign Ministers are due to meet in Brussels this Monday to discuss the situation in Ukraine. Sweden and Poland will come up with their proposals on changing the stand on Ukraine.


Besides a return to the old constitution, the drafts provide for a simplified system of impeachment and voting, and also deprive the President of any role to play in the Constitutional Court lineup. The opposition feels the Court should be formed by the MPs and a congress of Ukraine’s judges. Unlike the constitution of 2004, which restricted presidential powers, the currently presented draft actually turns Yanukovych into a figurehead President, says the Director of the Institute for Strategic Planning, Alexander Gusev, and elaborates.

“The changes under discussion will largely trim the presidential powers, reducing his function to receiving credentials from foreign Ambassadors. The President’s duties will boil down to representing Ukraine during receptions. He will de facto stop being Head of State, with all powers due to be transferred to Parliament”.


How do we know the 2004 return and simplified impeachment is valid?

Voice of Russia - Ukraine: Yanukovych signs deal on ending crisis, Rada reinstates 2004 Constitution


The following is the text of the agreement signed by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and opposition leaders in the presence of EU envoys to end the ex-Soviet country's three-month crisis.

1. Within 48 hours of the signing of this agreement, a special law will be adopted, signed and promulgated, which will restore the Constitution of 2004 including amendments passed until now. Signatories declare their intention to create a coalition and form a national unity government within 10 days thereafter.

2. Constitutional reform, balancing the powers of the President, the government and parliament, will start immediately and be completed in September 2014.

3. Presidential elections will be held as soon as the new Constitution is adopted but no later than December 2014. New electoral laws will be passed and a new Central Election Commission will be formed on the basis of proportionality and in accordance with the OSCE & Venice commission rules.

4. Investigation into recent acts of violence will be conducted under joint monitoring from the authorities, the opposition and the Council of Europe.

5. The authorities will not impose a state of emergency. The authorities and the opposition will refrain from the use of violence.


*** A portion was removed by me as it dealt with actions taken under part 5 - the link has the full text ***



6. The Foreign Ministers of France, Germany, Poland and the Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation call for an immediate end to all violence and confrontation.


The simplified impeachment process was valid and lawful under the Ukrainian Constitution.


Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has announced that, to settle the crisis in Ukraine, he will initiate the reinstatement of the 2004 constitution and call early presidential elections. He also called for starting the procedure of forming a government of national confidence. "I am announcing steps that need to be made in order to restore peace and avoid more victims of the standoff," Yanukovych said in a statement available on the presidential website on Friday.

"These tragic days when Ukraine has taken the gravest losses and when people has died my duty is to state that human lives are very important. We should do our best to take joint steps to restore peace in Ukraine," Yanukovych said.

"I declare the steps that should be taken to restore calm and avoid new victims," the Ukrainian president said.

"I state that I initiate early presidential elections and return the 2004 Constitution by redistributing powers from the president to the parliament," Yanukovych said.


Yes the return to the 2004 Constitution was valid / lawful.
Yes the impeachment using the simplified process from the 2004 Constitution was valid / lawful.
The impeachment process followed the law as the bill was introduced by Parliament, and was actually authored by Nikolay Rudkovskiy, head of the Socialist Party in Ukraine, which is part of the ruling Party of Regions coalition. The Party of Regions was the party of former President Yanukovych.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Just a comment about some previous posts and relationship between Turkey and Russia.
There is no animosity there, utter nonsense. It is not in Turkey's interest to support actions against Russia
and to support any eventual protests of Tatars in Crimea.
Why?

2 Reasons:

1. Russia supplies around 60% of Turkey's natural gas needs and demand is growing with proposal from Turkey for another pipeline going to Europe near Turkey's coast.

'The threat of a Russian natural gas cutoff to Ukraine has lit a fire under Turkey, one of Moscow's biggest energy clients. Roughly 60 percent of Turkey's natural gas supply comes from Russia through two primary routes, and 12.5 percent of that supply could be at risk if Russia punishes Ukraine and its downstream customers. Rather than pushing Turkey into a desperate and urgent search for alternatives to Russian energy, the events in Ukraine are forcing Turkey to consider ways to solidify its energy relationship with Russia.'

www.naturalgaseurope.com...

2. Kurds

Turkey is well aware that any deterioration on its part in relationship with Russia might cause internal havoc in Turkey. Any meddling regarding Crimea's Tatars and access to Black Sea would make Russia take aggressive stand in regards to status of Kurds in Turkey and last thing Turkey want is Russia arming Kurds.

Turkey is smart enough not to cause any trouble to jeopardize relationship with Russia.


Please show me where you got the information that 60 percent of turkeys gas comes from Russia the closest i could find was 12.5 percent. according to Turkeys energy commissioner.In fact has put forth a major effert a couple of years ago they are using there own gas and oil hoping to severely limit there needs of foreign gas.Here is the funny part Turkeys goal is to become a hub for imports from Russia the middle east and africa. They want to resell the gas is there goal not use it for themselves. And well Turkey is the perfect country as far as location to do just that watch they will sign a deal with Ukraine wants it stabilizes again more supply for clients.



so you did not read the link I posted, I am disappointed.
12.5% comes through Ukraine.

And the news is

ANKARA, Turkey, April 21 (UPI) -- Turkish Energy Minister Taner Yildiz said Monday his country agreed to increase gas capacity through the Blue Stream pipeline by more than 18 percent.
Yildiz said Monday from Ankara his country would take on more natural gas from Russia at what he said was an affordable price.



www.upi.com...


Great relationship and business as usual.


You misunderstand the question Turkey is a gas exporter what they receive and what they use is two different they buy gas to export. This is why they just recently told Russia they need to lower their charges a couple of days ago and Russia said no so expect them to buy less from Russia as a result.Because they have to be able to make money on the resale of gas. In fact currently trying to up their rates to Israel probably as a result of the Ukraine upheavel.
edit on 4/21/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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Not sure if it's been mentioned but there are reportedly photos that have surfaced showing Russian special forces members active in Eastern Ukraine:

www.bbc.com...

Some of the pictures:




posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 09:58 PM
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The agreement signed by the former President and the parliament, in addition to calling for new elections, immediately reverted back the 2004 Constitution (and by immediate, it means just that. There was no time frame for it and there was no law needed. It became effective once the agreement was signed).







You are talking nonsense. That agreement was broken by self-appointed government the day after was signed.
The deal says the government will not impose a state of emergency and both sides will refrain from violence. It says opposition protesters should hand over any weapons and withdraw from buildings they have occupied and protest camps around the country. And what we had? More violence right after that and complete takeover of the parliament
by protesters, who were monitoring now illegal parliament session with bats in their hands intimidating those who are voting. I will also find a photos how voting went with many members of parliament voting with 2 hands at the same time pressing buttons for those absent as well. Agreement was broken straight away by opposition, bottom line.
Impeachment was illegal.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 10:07 PM
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edit on 21-4-2014 by all2human because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Just a comment about some previous posts and relationship between Turkey and Russia.
There is no animosity there, utter nonsense. It is not in Turkey's interest to support actions against Russia
and to support any eventual protests of Tatars in Crimea.
Why?

2 Reasons:

1. Russia supplies around 60% of Turkey's natural gas needs and demand is growing with proposal from Turkey for another pipeline going to Europe near Turkey's coast.

'The threat of a Russian natural gas cutoff to Ukraine has lit a fire under Turkey, one of Moscow's biggest energy clients. Roughly 60 percent of Turkey's natural gas supply comes from Russia through two primary routes, and 12.5 percent of that supply could be at risk if Russia punishes Ukraine and its downstream customers. Rather than pushing Turkey into a desperate and urgent search for alternatives to Russian energy, the events in Ukraine are forcing Turkey to consider ways to solidify its energy relationship with Russia.'

www.naturalgaseurope.com...

2. Kurds

Turkey is well aware that any deterioration on its part in relationship with Russia might cause internal havoc in Turkey. Any meddling regarding Crimea's Tatars and access to Black Sea would make Russia take aggressive stand in regards to status of Kurds in Turkey and last thing Turkey want is Russia arming Kurds.

Turkey is smart enough not to cause any trouble to jeopardize relationship with Russia.


Please show me where you got the information that 60 percent of turkeys gas comes from Russia the closest i could find was 12.5 percent. according to Turkeys energy commissioner.In fact has put forth a major effert a couple of years ago they are using there own gas and oil hoping to severely limit there needs of foreign gas.Here is the funny part Turkeys goal is to become a hub for imports from Russia the middle east and africa. They want to resell the gas is there goal not use it for themselves. And well Turkey is the perfect country as far as location to do just that watch they will sign a deal with Ukraine wants it stabilizes again more supply for clients.



so you did not read the link I posted, I am disappointed.
12.5% comes through Ukraine.

And the news is

ANKARA, Turkey, April 21 (UPI) -- Turkish Energy Minister Taner Yildiz said Monday his country agreed to increase gas capacity through the Blue Stream pipeline by more than 18 percent.
Yildiz said Monday from Ankara his country would take on more natural gas from Russia at what he said was an affordable price.



www.upi.com...


Great relationship and business as usual.


You misunderstand the question Turkey is a gas exporter what they receive and what they use is two different they buy gas to export. This is why they just recently told Russia they need to lower their charges a couple of days ago and Russia said no so expect them to buy less from Russia as a result.Because they have to be able to make money on the resale of gas. In fact currently trying to up their rates to Israel probably as a result of the Ukraine upheavel.



'Turkish gas consumption is expected to reach 47.6 billion cubic meters this year, Okan Yardimci an official from Turkey's energy market regulator EPDK told a conference in Istanbul Tuesday.
Of this, 57% is expected to be supplied by Russia'

www.platts.com...

clear now?



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Just a comment about some previous posts and relationship between Turkey and Russia.
There is no animosity there, utter nonsense. It is not in Turkey's interest to support actions against Russia
and to support any eventual protests of Tatars in Crimea.
Why?

2 Reasons:

1. Russia supplies around 60% of Turkey's natural gas needs and demand is growing with proposal from Turkey for another pipeline going to Europe near Turkey's coast.

'The threat of a Russian natural gas cutoff to Ukraine has lit a fire under Turkey, one of Moscow's biggest energy clients. Roughly 60 percent of Turkey's natural gas supply comes from Russia through two primary routes, and 12.5 percent of that supply could be at risk if Russia punishes Ukraine and its downstream customers. Rather than pushing Turkey into a desperate and urgent search for alternatives to Russian energy, the events in Ukraine are forcing Turkey to consider ways to solidify its energy relationship with Russia.'

www.naturalgaseurope.com...

2. Kurds

Turkey is well aware that any deterioration on its part in relationship with Russia might cause internal havoc in Turkey. Any meddling regarding Crimea's Tatars and access to Black Sea would make Russia take aggressive stand in regards to status of Kurds in Turkey and last thing Turkey want is Russia arming Kurds.

Turkey is smart enough not to cause any trouble to jeopardize relationship with Russia.


Please show me where you got the information that 60 percent of turkeys gas comes from Russia the closest i could find was 12.5 percent. according to Turkeys energy commissioner.In fact has put forth a major effert a couple of years ago they are using there own gas and oil hoping to severely limit there needs of foreign gas.Here is the funny part Turkeys goal is to become a hub for imports from Russia the middle east and africa. They want to resell the gas is there goal not use it for themselves. And well Turkey is the perfect country as far as location to do just that watch they will sign a deal with Ukraine wants it stabilizes again more supply for clients.



so you did not read the link I posted, I am disappointed.
12.5% comes through Ukraine.

And the news is

ANKARA, Turkey, April 21 (UPI) -- Turkish Energy Minister Taner Yildiz said Monday his country agreed to increase gas capacity through the Blue Stream pipeline by more than 18 percent.
Yildiz said Monday from Ankara his country would take on more natural gas from Russia at what he said was an affordable price.



www.upi.com...


Great relationship and business as usual.


You misunderstand the question Turkey is a gas exporter what they receive and what they use is two different they buy gas to export. This is why they just recently told Russia they need to lower their charges a couple of days ago and Russia said no so expect them to buy less from Russia as a result.Because they have to be able to make money on the resale of gas. In fact currently trying to up their rates to Israel probably as a result of the Ukraine upheavel.



'Turkish gas consumption is expected to reach 47.6 billion cubic meters this year, Okan Yardimci an official from Turkey's energy market regulator EPDK told a conference in Istanbul Tuesday.
Of this, 57% is expected to be supplied by Russia'

www.platts.com...

clear now?


Your source is talking total imports it was also an estimate andit was wrong i found something even later that contradicts it. What i want is internal consumption numbers i found some Botas numbers but thats not the entire country. This however contradicts what you posted since gas imports didnt reach near the levels in your article.It was an estimate and it was wrong take a look. The reason why im curious about the 60 percent is because it claimed the largest importer of russian gas was Germany at 38 percent. This tells me that Turkey is exporting a large percentage of russian gas in Botas case appears to be 73 percent of what they buy.

www.oilandgaseurasia.com...
edit on 4/21/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 10:39 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova







The agreement signed by the former President and the parliament, in addition to calling for new elections, immediately reverted back the 2004 Constitution (and by immediate, it means just that. There was no time frame for it and there was no law needed. It became effective once the agreement was signed).







You are talking nonsense. That agreement was broken by self-appointed government the day after was signed.
The deal says the government will not impose a state of emergency and both sides will refrain from violence. It says opposition protesters should hand over any weapons and withdraw from buildings they have occupied and protest camps around the country. And what we had? More violence right after that and complete takeover of the parliament
by protesters, who were monitoring now illegal parliament session with bats in their hands intimidating those who are voting. I will also find a photos how voting went with many members of parliament voting with 2 hands at the same time pressing buttons for those absent as well. Agreement was broken straight away by opposition, bottom line.
Impeachment was illegal.


So the impeachment was illegal is this merely your opinion everything i saw showed a vote occurred and surprisingly even the members of his own party voted against him. In fact id like to point out Viktor Yanukovych at the time of the parliament vote was still in Ukraine and hadnt actually fled the country yet. he even had a press conference in his mansion he spent billions on oddly he didnt get that much money as president.Wonder where that money came from?
edit on 4/21/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
Just a comment about some previous posts and relationship between Turkey and Russia.
There is no animosity there, utter nonsense. It is not in Turkey's interest to support actions against Russia
and to support any eventual protests of Tatars in Crimea.
Why?

2 Reasons:

1. Russia supplies around 60% of Turkey's natural gas needs and demand is growing with proposal from Turkey for another pipeline going to Europe near Turkey's coast.

'The threat of a Russian natural gas cutoff to Ukraine has lit a fire under Turkey, one of Moscow's biggest energy clients. Roughly 60 percent of Turkey's natural gas supply comes from Russia through two primary routes, and 12.5 percent of that supply could be at risk if Russia punishes Ukraine and its downstream customers. Rather than pushing Turkey into a desperate and urgent search for alternatives to Russian energy, the events in Ukraine are forcing Turkey to consider ways to solidify its energy relationship with Russia.'

www.naturalgaseurope.com...

2. Kurds

Turkey is well aware that any deterioration on its part in relationship with Russia might cause internal havoc in Turkey. Any meddling regarding Crimea's Tatars and access to Black Sea would make Russia take aggressive stand in regards to status of Kurds in Turkey and last thing Turkey want is Russia arming Kurds.

Turkey is smart enough not to cause any trouble to jeopardize relationship with Russia.


Please show me where you got the information that 60 percent of turkeys gas comes from Russia the closest i could find was 12.5 percent. according to Turkeys energy commissioner.In fact has put forth a major effert a couple of years ago they are using there own gas and oil hoping to severely limit there needs of foreign gas.Here is the funny part Turkeys goal is to become a hub for imports from Russia the middle east and africa. They want to resell the gas is there goal not use it for themselves. And well Turkey is the perfect country as far as location to do just that watch they will sign a deal with Ukraine wants it stabilizes again more supply for clients.



so you did not read the link I posted, I am disappointed.
12.5% comes through Ukraine.

And the news is

ANKARA, Turkey, April 21 (UPI) -- Turkish Energy Minister Taner Yildiz said Monday his country agreed to increase gas capacity through the Blue Stream pipeline by more than 18 percent.
Yildiz said Monday from Ankara his country would take on more natural gas from Russia at what he said was an affordable price.



www.upi.com...


Great relationship and business as usual.


You misunderstand the question Turkey is a gas exporter what they receive and what they use is two different they buy gas to export. This is why they just recently told Russia they need to lower their charges a couple of days ago and Russia said no so expect them to buy less from Russia as a result.Because they have to be able to make money on the resale of gas. In fact currently trying to up their rates to Israel probably as a result of the Ukraine upheavel.



'Turkish gas consumption is expected to reach 47.6 billion cubic meters this year, Okan Yardimci an official from Turkey's energy market regulator EPDK told a conference in Istanbul Tuesday.
Of this, 57% is expected to be supplied by Russia'

www.platts.com...

clear now?


Your source is talking total imports it was also an estimate andit was wrong i found something even later that contradicts it. What i want is internal consumption numbers i found some Botas numbers but thats not the entire country. This however contradicts what you posted since gas imports didnt reach near the levels in your article.It was an estimate and it was wrong take a look. The reason why im curious about the 60 percent is because it claimed the largest importer of russian gas was Germany at 38 percent. This tells me that Turkey is exporting a large percentage of russian gas in Botas case appears to be 73 percent of what they buy.

www.oilandgaseurasia.com...




'Turkish gas consumption to reach 47.6 billion cu m/yr this year
Istanbul (Platts)--1Oct2013/947 am EDT/1347 GMT

Turkish gas consumption is expected to reach 47.6 billion cubic meters this year, Okan Yardimci an official from Turkey's energy market regulator EPDK told a conference in Istanbul Tuesday.

Of this, 57% is expected to be supplied by Russia, 18% by Iran, 9% by Azerbaijan, 2% by local production and the remaining 14% through Turkey's two long term LNG contracts with Algeria (4 Bcm/year) and Nigeria (1.2 Bcm/year) and spot purchases he said.'



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 10:55 PM
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Notice the date of the article you posted than look at this. Your article was from oxtober and was expecting those nubers by dec. The article i posted was in Jan and they didnt make the estimate.

Turkish gas import, consumption down in January-November


January 8, 2014 - See more at: www.oilandgaseurasia.com...

Ive looked and i dont think Turkey doesnt actually publish their own consumption numbers you would probably have to go through each of these companies that import and find out whats consumed locally probably more work than the efforts worth. But i think the reason they didnt get near the gas imports is there importing electricity from Iran. They are converting what power plants use gas over to coal as well. This is why i read an article within in the next ten years they want to remove gas from there economy and use it strictly for export.


edit on 4/21/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: cosmonova

Notice the date of the article you posted than look at this. Your article was from oxtober and was expecting those nubers by dec. The article i posted was in Jan and they didnt make the estimate.

Turkish gas import, consumption down in January-November


January 8, 2014 - See more at: www.oilandgaseurasia.com...

Ive looked and i dont think Turkey actually publishes their own consumption numbers you would probably have to go through each of these companies that import and find out whats coonsumed locally probably more work than the efforts worth. But i think the reason they didnt get near the gas imports is there importing electricity from Iran. They are converting what power plants use gas over to coal as well. This is why i read an article within in the next ten years they want to remove gas from there economy and use it strictly for export.




I guess the best thing for you would be to call Mr Okan Yardimci, the official from Turkey's energy market regulator
and ask him why is he lying.



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 11:23 PM
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well the cookie lady has spoken.
US Taxpayers, do you approve that 5 billion of your money was spent on cookies delivered to Ukraine?

'01:21 GMT:
Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs, has acknowledged that Washington has “invested” $5 billion in Ukraine since 1991.

“That money has been spent on supporting the aspirations of the Ukrainian people to have a strong, democratic government that represents their interests,” she told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour in an exclusive interview.

“But we certainly didn’t spend any money supporting the Maidan. That was a spontaneous movement, which is a far cry from what we are concerned Russia is up to now in eastern Ukraine.”

In an interview with Amanpour last week, Vyacheslav Nikonov, a Russian Duma MP, accused Nuland of orchestrating the regime change in Kiev in February.

“Victoria Nuland said about five billion US dollars [was] spent to promote democracy in Ukraine, which is oftentimes a code word for regime change,” Nikonov said'



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 11:30 PM
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A bit more info on Turkish gas.

from Apr 17th 2014:


Natural gas accounts for an increasing share of the energy mix in Turkey, and it has overtaken oil to become the most important fuel in terms of volume consumed. Although the Turkish government supports developing the country as a natural gas export hub, Turkey is extremely vulnerable to supply disruptions and may have insufficient pipeline capacity to keep up with both greater exports and increasing domestic demand.


Consumption and imports


In 2011, Turkey's electric power sector accounted for just under half (48%) of the country's natural gas use. The industrial and residential sectors each accounted for approximately 20%. Natural gas demand peaks in the winter months, when natural gas use for power generation and space heating is highest. Demand during winter months can be double the demand during summer months. Given Turkey's low capacity for natural gas storage to meet its seasonal demand swings, the country relies primarily on increased imports to meet the seasonal increases in demand.


eia.gov



posted on Apr, 21 2014 @ 11:43 PM
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Once again you are wrong and apparently you are not reading the material.

It is not a self appointed government. The members of Parliament were elected by the people in December. They voted to impeach Yanukovych.

Tell ya what though - Give me an example / facts / sources of how the government is as you claim - self appointed.



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