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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I am starting to think that this war is all about oil, the price of oil and Putin, Iran and the USA are doing all they can to push the price up between them all so that people at home won't riot as pump prices keep rising.

What happened to the Iranian straights conflict where we were all about to be cut off from much needed oil and gas.

Lets see this clash of super powers because it's starting to look like another low budget, made in the USA movie that no one wants to watch.




posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: Yusomad

originally posted by: ProfessorT
The reports coming out of Eastern Ukraine about Jews being forced to 'register' are both concerning and truly shocking. Is Vladimir Putin trying to recreate what happened when Adolf Hitler was around? It certainly looks like he is. Absolutely disgusting. The Ukrainian government are toothless and thus far they haven't been able to defend themselves and their citizens. In light of recent events they should request mutual military aid from NATO.

Guess that one went right over your head huh?
Clicky
Nice to see you warmongers are still clutching at straws.



Im not sure what straws you mean but thanks for the article. It actually mentions they believe it was done by anti maiden protestors. Or in other words pro russians. Same tactic used in Crimea started harassing the minorities. In fact it drove the tatar out of Crimea has to be pretty bad to get you to leave your home.Whoever put out those pamphlets knew it was in poor taste and done just to scare people.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Remember the discussions we had (like a year ago or so) - along with a couple more members - in here, and how most of the times we came to agreement that there was no reason to be concerned unless both sides started to cut ties and go into a Cold War-type of isolation?

This is getting scary. Not only the denial of strategic military bilateral surveillance (so that neither side fears the actions of the other), but also the separation in space programs, with NASA cutting all ties except for matters regarding the ISS.

However, what is making me more concerned about the following months, is the change in strategic military paradigms. In the 80's I was afraid of a nuclear war, because all it took was a silo opening by accident, the other side thinking a nuclear attack was imminent and M.A.D. would do the rest.

But nuclear weapons have been around for decades. They have not only evolved in terms of effectiveness but also the fact they are much more cleaner than their earlier versions (this matters later in my post). We got used to them, to their existence, and many people have become used to the fear of M.A.D., and I'm scared that the people responsible for military strategies are also grown tired of the fear and panic of nuclear weapons.

ICBM's are the most effective way of using nuclear warheads. They are hard to hit, and when they deploy they are even harder to avoid because they divide (since a single missile holds several warheads) and deploy several decoys, which makes it increasingly harder to defend and nearly impossible to avoid at least a couple of nuclear detonations.

But that's using the 70's/80's mentality.

What is getting me concerned is that we are watching nuclear bombers moving around Eastern Europe. Why still maintain or even have nuclear bombers? They are obsolete compared to ICBM's, or even when compared to nuclear submarine deployment capability.

Unless the nuclear paradigm has changed in recent years. Feel free to disagree with this hypothetical scenario, but I'm worried things would be played out like this:

(this is a FICTIONAL worst-case simulation made by me and a couple of colleagues in the off-chance that a conflict starts. We are civilians and this only contemplates things on a larger scale using known tactics, military equipment available and publicly available data, without any knowledge of actual action plans from both sides(which are secret anyway). Don't be alarmed, since this could be all wrong. It's just an exercise of thought)

Day-1: Russia deploys troops in Ukrainian territory along Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea peninsula. NATO starts to respond, activates all available reserves and reinforcements to the area. Small military skirmishes happen in Eastern Europe, mostly due to air patrols encountering each-other or with ground troops in close proximity to each-other.

Day-2: Russia responds to NATO movements by deploying further military forces around Russia's border and reinforcing forces already in place. Deploys several anti-ship and anti-air measures along the conflict area. NATO forces start to deploy in Poland and other NATO nations, resupply routes start to be established in cooperation with countries in the area.

Day-3: NATO has it's first supply lines ready in Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Poland , but they still lack the transport capability directly to areas close to Russia's forces.

Russia continues further forces deployment, engages in several military battles inside Ukraine. Ukraine suffers heavy losses against Russia's special forces and localized strategic attacks.

The Baltic Sea and Black Sea are occupied by several Russian ships in an attempt to disrupt NATO forces arrival. Mines reportedly being deployed to disrupt NATO reinforcements.

Day-4: Ukraine politically surrenders. Most strategic areas are in control or in conflict with Russian forces. Russia advances further, occupies Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus, fortifying it's stand in the Baltic Sea.

Turkish Navy and US ships in the area move in to Crimea in an attempt to destroy Russian forces there and clear a fly-zone into the conflict area in Ukraine. It is faced with heavy resistance, Turkish navy suffers heavy losses. US aircraft carriers are able to defend them-selves, but fail to launch any successful attack against ground forces and military placements in Crimea and Ukraine.

Germany sends several military armor and infantry brigades towards Eastern Europe through Poland and Czech Republic in an attempt to stop Russian advance. In the North, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark attempt to hold their stand and become an advanced line to prevent Russian advances.

The UK and France forces start to arrive to Eastern Europe, mainly in Denmark, Sweden and Germany. They link up with already present NATO forces.

Day-5: Russia suffers some losses when encountering NATO resistance coming from Poland, but is able to complete it's invasion of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus. Immediately starts deploying several anti-air measures to avoid NATO's air superiority to disrupt it's advance. Russia's air force uses the territorial advance to expand it's area of influence in the conflict.

Naval and air battles continue to unfold in the Black Sea. Losses in both sides.

Russia invades Azerbaijan, uses Georgia as a launching pad to attack Turkish border.

In the Baltic Sea, unreported Russian submarines start attacking and sinking NATO supply and logistical vessels, making it much harder to stop Russian military foothold in the area. NATO submarines in the area are ordered to help secure naval transports in the area.

Moldova under Russian control. Hungary and Romania respond by moving military assets to the North, although they are not considered enough to stop such a large Russian incursion. Their objective is to make time for other NATO forces to arrive to conflict. Heavy losses are expected.

Day-6: NATO forces successfully deploy in Poland and Slovakia. Fierce battles are reported along Poland's and Slovakia's borders with Ukraine and Belarus. Russian troops, armor and helicopters continue to attempt to advance towards western Europe. Some areas fall to Russian control, others stall their advances. NATO anti-tank infantry equipment proves successful against Russia's armor divisions, but Russian infantry is capable of putting a balanced fight.

Turkish Navy suffers heavy losses when faced with surprise attacks from advanced anti-ship missiles used by Russia, US retreats it's forces to Istanbul and awaits further NATO reinforcements from the Mediterranean so that a counter-attack in the Black Sea can be successful.

Turkey mobilizes all it's ready and available military assets towards Azerbaijan and Georgia. Invades Armenia in an attempt to void Russia from important supply lines that could be used to attack Turkey. At the same time, fears over Iran's choice of sides arise, making Turkey increasingly vulnerable to an attack by the South.

Western forces in the Middle East prepare for a possible expansion of conflict, start to take defensive measures towards Iran. Reports of troops massing along Iraq's border by both sides.

Romania suffers heavy losses in the early hours of it's involvement in the conflict. Half of it's territory to the North falls under Russian control after defeat. (continues)



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 12:24 PM
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Hungary suffers several strategic air raids, along with Slovakia.

Day-7: Russian advance is halted due to the constant arrival of further NATO forces, but they are still not sufficient to regain territory lost to the Russians. A stalemate is reached, with several battles along the front-lines of the conflict.

Tension in the Middle East rises as fears of a spread in the conflict reappear. Several massive troops movements are reported in all countries in the Middle East.

US and NATO Pacific forces are placed on high alert and highest readiness status. Some assets are diverted to the Bering Sea, others are placed and kept along the Eurasian area, out of fear of an escalation of the conflict towards China, North Korea and other countries who could possibly side with Russia.

Day-8: US aircraft carriers start taking positions in the Mediterranean and Atlantic Sea. Fears over Russian capability in that area prevent further advancements until NATO naval forces can secure an area of operation for the carriers. Current risk considered too high.

Conflicts in Poland, Hungary and Slovakia escalate, increase in Russian military advances. Small general advance by Russia is made. NATO reinforcements are close-by and on route to replace local forces.

NATO air force is able to inflict losses to Russian forces, but their area of action is limited to the strong foothold Russia was able to secure in the early hours of the conflict. NATO air force suffers some losses to Russian AA systems.

Day-9 Exhaustion and fatigue start to sink into the forces fighting for several days. Russian supply lines show truly effective in maintaining the conflict, giving priority to rail-roads and using highway roads for a quick replacement of troops and equipment. Russia keeps replacing it's troops and reinforcing equipment while NATO countries are faced with increase difficulty in organizing a counter-offensive. Yet, NATO is able to retain the advances of Russian ground forces.

NATO attempts to launch several long-distance attacks into Crimea and the Black Sea. They turn out to be ineffective without a reinforcement of air superiority and without taking out Russian AA defenses deeply settled in the area.

Russia moves it's military effort into high-gear, already starting production of logistics needed for combat, mostly cheap and quickly produced gear like APC's, missiles and general ammunition. Military mobilization is started amongst general population in an effort to increase troop size. NATO fears an global escalation of the conflict involving Asia, South America and Africa. Russian efforts to maintain the conflict raises concerns of a further incursion towards southern Europe.

NATO refrains from sending further military forces to the North. Efforts are shifted to maintain the Russian advances in the North, but special attention is given to France, Austria and Italy territories. Those are believed to be the strongest points of defense in case Poland falls to Russia control.

With that in mind, the UK takes a dominant role and starts sending troops and equipment to Norway, Sweden and Finland, in an effort to surround Russian military power. Baltic Sea Russian assets make it increasingly difficult to aid northern NATO members. Russian navy doesn't advance, but attacks any movement in the area. Black Sea remains under Russian control.

Russian nuclear bombers were last seen moving towards Ukraine. Fears of a nuclear tactical use are voiced by NATO.

Several russian artillery divisions are able to set a good position in Northern Poland. Start constant bombing of NATO forces.

Same happens in Eastern Turkey, Northern Romania and Hungary.

Day-10 Hopes of defeating Russian aggression increase upon the arrival of several technologically high-end equipment coming from the US, UK and France. They seem capable of handling most offensive Russian measures. Still, it is difficult to take down Russian defenses and offensive forces seem lightly affected.

During the early hours of the day, several Russian Spetnaz units advanced into enemy lines and attacked several missile defense positions in a surprise attack.

Soon after a reasonable success, contained nuclear blasts are reported in Poland. No ICBM's launches were detected, bombing attributed to Russian nuclear bombers. NATO forces retreat in Poland in fear of further nuclear bombings and the consideration of heavy losses. Russia uses the retreat to take further control of Poland. No further bombings are reported, and Poland surrenders to Russia.

By the end of the 10th day, Europe shifts to full scale war with Germany, France, Italy and the UK taking leading role in stopping the advance of Russian incursion. The US takes special attention to the Asian part of the Globe, while making plans for a full-scale war reinforcement in continental Europe.

Slovakia surrenders along with half of Hungary and half of Romania's territory.

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After the 10th day it becomes too complex and too diverse to actually attempt to make a study of what could happen. This study isn't 100% correct, obviously, but it's an attempt to show the severity of a sudden military escalation of the crisis.

All the above assumptions are based on a Russian policy of conquering Europe to post-WW2 borders. It does not contemplate several aspects like civil unrest and a faster and less diplomatic or defensive response by NATO.

Consider that the opposite development of events is also plausible or even provable (NATO completely defeating Russia's advances, and all their plans failing upon the first day of conflict).

This also took some time, which excludes current NATO or even Russian military placements. Things could unfold very differently (obviously lol), but it's nice food for thought, and how everyone educated in this conflict should push for a peaceful resolution. This could turn ugly so fast...



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine #Transnistria, has asked #Russia to recognize it's independence from Moldova. The timing is likely not a coincidence. rbc.ua/rus/news/polit… 9 mins ago 16 retweets | 2 replies



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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One of the commandos captured by SBU admits taking part in Maidan shootings, from what I can understand for the translation of this piece of news:


One of the Russian commandos who urged captured Ukrainian paratroopers to refuse to perform military duties , admitted that he took part in the events on the Maidan. The press center of the Security Service of Ukraine. According to the SBU, the actions of armed persons illegally held military 25- th separate Airborne Brigade of Airborne Forces in Slavic Ukraine , led by Colonel General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Igor Strelkov . It showed one of the Ukrainian paratroopers who were arrested by a group of armed men at the entrance to Kramatorska April 16. He said the seizure of automatic weapons was under the personal guidance Strelkov . Thus the Russian GRU officer bowed Ukrainian military move to the side of illegal armed formations, promising higher wages and other tangible benefits. " Refuse to perform military duties required and there is there 's saboteur named " Daisy "who boasted that the group was part of a sniper on Independence Square in Kiev during the mass protests ," - noted in the SBU.


tvi.ua...



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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Voice of Russia


Russia's envoy to the European Union said the authorities in Kiev had incorrectly interpreted an international deal to resolve the crisis in Ukraine, where rebellions have broken out in south-eastern regions. "If we are speaking about how the Geneva document is being interpreted in Kiev by the current authorities, then unfortunately they understood this incorrectly," Vladimir Chizhov told the Russian state television Rossiya-24. "In particularly that it only applies to the eastern and southern provinces and those who are demanding federalism, but it not to Kiev, where (it thinks) everything is legal including the ongoing occupation of Maidan."



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:00 PM
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Donetsk residents detained, had on them weapons previously stored in Slavyansk police HQ:


In the Petrovsky district of Donetsk law enforcement officers detained two residents of the city, which in the struggle were seized two Makarov pistols and ammunition , which were previously in the city police department g.Slavyansk ( Donetsk region). . As reported in Friday's Division of Public Relations Research Affairs of Ukraine in Donetsk region are spetslinii " 102" at 15.27 on Thursday it was reported that a supermarket parking lot in Petrovsky district of Donetsk are people who probably armed. As the Acting Head of State Protection Service under Interior Ministry of Ukraine in Donetsk region Lieutenant Colonel Sergei Prilyapa arrived to Liberty Square , GSO staff approached a group of drunken men , which indicated passersby . When dealing with the police officers suspected began to behave aggressively, then one of them suddenly pulled out a gun , reminiscent of the PM, and hit on the head dress older . In the struggle the gun he managed to select , and then he turned back to the policemen and took out another jacket . Junior Inspector detention group grabbed his arms from behind , giving aim. " Shot still sounded - as it turned out , the attacker while wounded himself in the leg. Partners in crime took to their heels . One of them jumped into the roadway and was detained by police protection middle of the road , and the second , despite the injury , he fled . Apparently , being in a state of shock , he first just do not feel the pain " , - the report says . In the search for the attacker escaped were sent three groups of employees of criminal investigation police department Petrovsky Donetsk. One group found a fugitive and a half kilometers away from the scene , in the sparsely populated place on the outskirts of the district. The attacker was arrested , despite attempts by police officers to counter . One of the detainees appeared 48 -year-old resident of the Kirov district of Donetsk . He seized 7 rounds of 9 mm caliber . We have solved the issue of electing him to measure. His 40 -year-old partner , a resident of Kiev district of Donetsk , arrested by the court. Both have not tried . In CCA Research Affairs of Ukraine in Donetsk region reported that the scene also seized two pistols " Makarov " . Weapons sent for examination. Judging by the numbers , until recently, it was stored in the Slavic city police department . Now law enforcement to figure out how it got to the detainees . " According to this criminal proceedings under Part 2 st.342 (resistance to a law enforcement officer in the performance of his duties ) , p.2 st.345 (intentional infliction of a law enforcement officer beating, light or moderate injuries ) and h 1 st.263 (illegal handling of weapons , ammunition ) of the Criminal Code of Ukraine " , - said the head of Petrovsky PO Artem Carrot In this incident is under investigation . Persons involved could face up to seven years in prison.


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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:02 PM
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Statement from the OSCE, released by press release:


In Donetsk at 13:30 on 17 April, the team observed the occupied oblast administration building with some 150 people inside the barricades. Russian television programmes were broadcast there, including President Putin's live question-and-answer session. The city administration office, also occupied by opponents of the central government, appeared to be working normally. At 18:00, following information about a disruptive protest at the Donetsk International Airport, the team visited the airport to verify the situation on the ground. In its assessment, the overall situation was normal and calm. At the departures hall, the team observed the presence of around 30 people of different age groups with St. George’s ribbons on their clothes and one man with a “Donetsk People’s Republic” flag on his shoulders. The Donetsk team spoke also to the local Rabbi, who confirmed media reports about anti-Jewish fliers signed by the self-declared “People’s Governor of Donbas” (the Ukrainian and Russian name for the area covering the Donetsk and Luhansk regions). The text called upon local Jewish people to present themselves for registration, threatening deportation and confiscation of property if they failed to do so. According to the Rabbi, on 15 April, three or four masked men arrived on foot at the synagogue and handed several of these fliers to people located on the premises. They returned later that night by car and handed out more of the fliers. The self-declared governor denied that he and his office were responsible for the flier. The team observed armed Ukrainian police watching the activities of the traffic police in Volnovakha(approximately 60 km south of Donetsk). In Mariupol, as of 11:25, there were no helicopters or aircraft seen flying over the city. The town appeared to be functioning normally. The Mariupol Administration building remained occupied, with the flag of the “Donetsk Republic” flying on top of the eastern structure and the flag of the former Soviet Union flying on top of the west building. Mariupol’s Mayor claimed that the City Administration building had been occupied by 40 fighters assisted by Russian intelligence officers, and that most of the Mariupol and Donbas population were in favor of significant decentralization of Ukraine but did not support separatism. The team left Mariupol, travelling to the Ministry of Interior Internal Forces compound, arriving at 13:12. Outside the entrance of the compound there was a government jeep which had been fired upon and was damaged both inside and out. There were traces of blood observed on the outside of the right doors and the rear tailgate of the vehicle. The metal gates to the compound entrance had at some point been removed and discarded to the side of the road. The entrance had been blocked by two large government trucks, parked facing into the compound. Upon entering the compound, the team observed that the front of both trucks had bullet holes in both the window and body. The team observed evidence that Molotov cocktails had been used against the compound, and there was one building that had burned to the ground and was still smoldering. At 15:00, the team went to the Emergency Medical Hospital. According to its director, five patients were brought to this facility, all with gunshot wounds. He also checked the daily registry for Mariupol and found that on 16 April, a total of 16 people were treated for wounds in various medical facilities. According to the Ministry of Interior and the Mayor, there were three fatalities. The Medical Director confirmed one; however, he could not personally confirm any others as he was only working at the emergency hospital. At around 15:30 the team arrived at Mariupol Airport. Upon approaching the terminal, there appeared to be no more activity than had been seen the day before, with Ukrainian flags flying. However, upon closer observation, four Ukrainian military helicopters were seen parked on the tarmac. The general situation in Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson and Odessa remained calm and quiet, as assessed by the monitoring teams. On the main roads in the vicinity of Odessa an increasing number of roadblocks were seen as compared to previous days. They were manned by unarmed or armed police, often accompanied by local volunteers supporting a unitary state structure for Ukraine. The situation continues to be calm in Chernivtsi, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv. According to a representative of Lviv’s local Russian community, its situation is “precarious” but far from being dangerous at the moment. He noted an absence of any Russian-speaking pre-schools in the region. The centre of Kyiv was generally calm, and a regular police presence was observed throughout the day in the city centre. The team observed the behaviour of football fans during the match between Dynamo Kyiv and Shakhtar Donetsk and spoke to a Shakhtar football team security officer, who confirmed that despite the Donetsk team winning in Kyiv and the fans of both teams being arch rivals, there was not a single clash or incident of violence among the fans and, as he put it, “there was a tremendous sense of unity, with ‘Ukraine – One country’ slogans chanted by fans of both teams during the game on a regular basis.


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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:02 PM
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My understanding of that statement is that:

- Russia wants Ukraine to obey it as much as conflicting groups inside Ukraine.
- That Russia considers a wrongful application of the treaty if Ukraine is going to continue it's "anti-terrorist operation" but force pro-russian groups to disarm.
- Possibly, Russia will use this as an open door to enter Ukraine. If they have given a chance for a peace treaty to work, and it isn't respected, including by Ukraine itself, it gives them credibility to, once again, go in and protect "pro-russian/native speakers/whatever russian affiliation" is called to justify it.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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Mostly correct, they see the government and maidan occupation as 'illegally armed group occupying government buildings'. Thats what Lavrov meant when he said that Russia has agreed to the deal, so in their view the maidan must be vacated and Right sektor disarmed.

But lets see if they invade over this.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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Ukrainian paratroopers detained in Slavyansk on April 16th say that the armed men that detained them were led by a Russian GRU officer:

via google translate:


Actions of armed individuals who were illegally detained servicemen of the 25th Separate Airborne Brigade Airborne Ukrainian Armed Forces Slovyansk , led Colonel Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia Igor Shooters. Such testimony was given one of the Ukrainian paratroopers , who were detained by an armed group at the entrance to Kramators'k April 16. As the press service of the Ukrainian Security Service , he said , the removal of the automatic weapon was under the personal guidance of a small arm. "At the same GRU officer declined Ukrainian military to side with the illegal armed formation , promising high salaries and other material benefits," - noted in the department . Also in the testimony of a soldier states that refuse to execute the duties of military presence there and demanded Russian spy named "Daisy" , which boasted that the composition of the sniper team was on Independence Square in Kiev during the mass protests. The press center of the SBU was reminded that a Russian citizen Gunmen wanted. Against him criminal proceedings have commenced upon the organization of premeditated murder and committing acts against the sovereignty, territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine holding subversion and organizing riots in the territory of the eastern regions of the country.


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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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Multiple reports that #Putin tourists/troops are heading to #Zaporozhye eastern #Ukraine. Separatist activity is expected there this weekend



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:29 PM
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The Communist party in #Ukraine stopped legislation that would stabilize the situation in the East and effectively joined forces with #Putin



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: GarrusVasNormandy

Since Russia refused the open skies over flight and with what we are seeing in Ukraine, not to mention to contradictory comments by Lavrov in Geneva and Putin in Moscow, I would say Russia will invade prior to the Presidential elections, which Russias also stated they wont recognize.

The question is why beat around the bush? The west, specifically Obama, gave Putin a free hand by constantly stating there will be no military intervention on behalf of Ukraine.

Russia has been suspended / removed from various international groups. Putin admitted the green men in Crimea were in fact Russian soldiers and we see the same thing in Ukraine.

Aside from a handful of nations the remainder of the planet does not agree with Russian actions / justifications in Crimea / Ukraine.

If the cats out of the bag why play it coy?



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:54 PM
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Maybe to decrease sanctions, as the west just delayed sanctions over the Geneva deal, and more over Russia has an escuse now after the deal, which they interpret differently.

Or they are preparing the grounds and provocations/false flags.
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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:54 PM
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Defence Ministry UA @DefenceUA Anti-terrorist operation inEastern #Ukraine frozen for Easter &due to #Geneva agreements, Security Service pravda.com.ua |DefenceUA



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: asen_y2k
a reply to: Xcathdra

Maybe to decrease sanctions, as the west just delayed sanctions over the Geneva deal, and more over Russia has an escuse now after the deal, which they interpret differently.

Or they are preparing the grounds and provocations/false flags.


Possibly but if its inevitable why give time for a possible counter move? Its no secret in terms of what Russia is doing IE troop movements near the Ukraine border, admitting the green no insignia people were Russian soldiers.

The very fact he admits these things and doesn't care about the reaction suggests his mind is made up.

So why delay it?

2 options come to mind -
* - The west / EU / NATO have lied about the reports on Russia - which I don't believe is the case but I'mm willing to entertain it as a hypothetical.

* - The west / EU / NATO, behind the scenes, has threatened military intervention.

Personally speaking I think we should change the nature of warfare. If a foreign leader wishes to engage in world domination, they should be forced to play a game of axis and allies in place of actual warfare. If they lose in the game, they are thrown in prison. If they win, they get free pizza and soda for their trouble.
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posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: asen_y2k

The Communist party in #Ukraine stopped legislation that would stabilize the situation in the East and effectively joined forces with #Putin


It makes one wonder what might have been promised to them by Russia for that.



posted on Apr, 18 2014 @ 02:04 PM
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