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That often times it is possible for the people to not completely agree with its government. It also means that just because our government takes a position does not mean the American people cannot get them to change their minds. The American people would not allow our government to abandon Canada.
originally posted by: BobAthome
reply to post by Xcathdra
"I wouldn't confuse the American government with that of the American people. "
actually the Government of the American people, is ,,By the People, Of the People, For the People.
so just what are ordinary people supposed too believe?
originally posted by: Xcathdra
Russia's involvement is admitted by Putin. To stir the pot to the point of "pro Russians" arming themselves and attacking / seizing government buildings only to warn Ukraine to not use force to subdue the "protestors".
This is the part that confuses me. Its not the cold war anymore so why does Putin think the propaganda they push is going to be accepted and believed?
originally posted by: VirusGuard
and then you repeat
"BREAKING: #Obama: We are preparing additional sanctions against Russia"
I think you answered you own question.
Mr Putin looks like a statesman, needs no scripts unlike banker puppet Obama who needs to read his scripts every five seconds but you do know that sanctions are an act of war so don't be too upset if the gloves come off or mind if people in Europe (who have no say anyway) openly say that they would like to sit this one out.
"preparing additional sanctions"
They would have disused this weeks ago, you will know the better man if this turns out to be yet another one of them "Putin's grandmother cannot come to Disney" type of sanctions
I won't get into the rights and wrongs over the Georgia conflict (the EU settled that one) but you do know it only took Putin's scrap metal tanks about a day to sweep in and clear the ground so do watch out for that left hook if you want to fight him.
originally posted by: BobAthome
actually the Government of the American people, is ,,By the People, Of the People, For the People.
originally posted by: VirusGuard
and then you repeat
"BREAKING: #Obama: We are preparing additional sanctions against Russia"
I think you answered you own question.
originally posted by: VirusGuard
Mr Putin looks like a statesman, needs no scripts unlike banker puppet Obama who needs to read his scripts every five seconds but you do know that sanctions are an act of war so don't be too upset if the gloves come off or mind if people in Europe (who have no say anyway) openly say that they would like to sit this one out.
originally posted by: VirusGuard
"preparing additional sanctions"
They would have disused this weeks ago, you will know the better man if this turns out to be yet another one of them "Putin's grandmother cannot come to Disney" type of sanctions
originally posted by: VirusGuard
I won't get into the rights and wrongs over the Georgia conflict (the EU settled that one) but you do know it only took Putin's scrap metal tanks about a day to sweep in and clear the ground so do watch out for that left hook if you want to fight him.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
That often times it is possible for the people to not completely agree with its government. It also means that just because our government takes a position does not mean the American people cannot get them to change their minds. The American people would not allow our government to abandon Canada.
originally posted by: BobAthome
reply to post by Xcathdra
"I wouldn't confuse the American government with that of the American people. "
actually the Government of the American people, is ,,By the People, Of the People, For the People.
so just what are ordinary people supposed too believe?
Separatists occupying a local government building in the city of Donetsk said they would not leave until supporters of Ukraine's new government quit their camp around Kiev's main square, known as the Maidan.
Asked how his group will react to the accord in Geneva under which illegal occupations of buildings and squares must end, Alexander Zakharchenko, a protest leader inside the Donetsk regional government building, told Reuters by telephone:
"If it means all squares and public buildings, then I guess it should start with the Maidan in Kiev. We'll see what they do there before we make our decision here."
originally posted by: VirusGuard
a reply to: Xcathdra
so I am lost ?
originally posted by: WCmutant
originally posted by: Xcathdra
Russia's involvement is admitted by Putin. To stir the pot to the point of "pro Russians" arming themselves and attacking / seizing government buildings only to warn Ukraine to not use force to subdue the "protestors".
This is the part that confuses me. Its not the cold war anymore so why does Putin think the propaganda they push is going to be accepted and believed?
Do you believe the propaganda and misinformation coming out of our government/media regarding Ukraine?
originally posted by: VirusGuard
a reply to: Xcathdra
Yes no trouble, you just went up in my book
originally posted by: victor7
What good would be the use for Ukrainians to hold on to territories where they face hostilities from ethinic Russians and rivalry with much more powerful Russia in terms of economics and culture.
The best would be for Ukraine to break up into East and West parts. East remains as independent country or join Russia, is a matter of democratic vote.
In any case........neither of the East or West Ukraine.....NEITHER......can join NATO or stage NATO military or related assets on their soil. Kind of like Finland's status which has worked just fine to maintain peace.
East or West Ukraine can join the EU if for the economic reasons.
This should work out best to solve the problem in that region.
It is all to do with NATO expansion. In 15-20 years, military technologies might be so different grade and generation that it would not matter if NATO should even exist as defending western European countries might be a matter of handling assets from 10,000 kms away or even from space etc.
Hence till that time, there should be buffer between two major European power blocks to maintain global peace.
If US still persists on Nato expansion upto the throats of the Russians, then we are talking nonsense brewing and common average global citizen suffering from all sorts of economic, political and military "punching games".
ps: Btw, anyone throwing the "Ukraine is soverign nation to make its own decisions" logic is an idiot who does not understand how the geopolitics works or should work with big power blocks.
originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: dragonridr
The alternatives to creating peace have been offered in my earlier post.
The ego and arrogance of power is too much in the NATO circles, especially USA. It is US which is pushing Europeans to expand eastwards and pick a fight with the Russians.
About time, about the very time, someone, some block, some entity..............HITS THESE ARROGANT MINDS SOOOOOO FUKKKKKKING HARD..........JUST ONE PUNCH THAT..........PERMANENTLY TURN THEIR HEADS AT 90 DEGREES. WON'T BE LOOKING EAST DIRECTION ANYMORE..............I GUESS.
ps: only a very chronic idiot would flip the truth and say COLD WAR MENTALITY NEVER ENDED FROM RUSSIAN SIDE.
ps2: do we really need to discuss matters with trash minds, penny broke economically....stealing from future generations??????????