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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:36 PM
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Did you expect a different response ?




posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:36 PM
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peck420

Xcathdra
It doesn't work that way.. The mission is carried out by the UN Human Rights Commission and they are currently operating in Ukraine.

Then this is just a dog and pony show, and will amount to squat.

Russia is fed up with the West. The West is fed up with Russia.

We can make concessions and work together, or we can get on with the bloody.


Lets try this again... The UN Human Rights Commission is the one who has been running the investigation. It is composed of UN officials and not Ukrainians. The UN is wanting access to Crimea, which would include only UN investigators, not Ukrainian.

I am not sure where people got the idea of a nation involved being able to demand their own people be used. It would be like asking the SS to investigate Auschwitz - hence the reason for non Ukrainian / non Russians involved in the investigation.


Wow the Russian rep has some balls...

first taking to task reports made by "anonymous" people.
Then taking Ukraine to task for a media crackdown inside Ukraine.
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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:38 PM
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Also the Tsarev and Dobkin situations.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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Watching the UN live. Sure wish I could hear the translators....



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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Haaretz.com ‏@haaretzcom · 2m
Report: Separatists in east #Ukraine town of Donetsk order #Jews to register htz.li... pic.twitter.com/td5eMWWXqg




RT ‏@RT_com · 1m
DEVELOPING: Residents of #Mariupol claim that military aircraft fly over the city on.rt.com...


the Russian Rep is still using the BS excuse of Russians being targeted in the South and East.. Which is interesting since they are supposedly all Russians in that area according to Russia.
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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:40 PM
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Mamatus
Watching the UN live. Sure wish I could hear the translators....


If you don't use full screen, you will see a box under the image that says available language. Select English (or whatever language you use, and you will get the translation).



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:43 PM
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Xcathdra

peck420

Xcathdra
They are requesting the occupying powers to allow the mission in Crimea.
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If Putin is as shrewd as has seemed, he will allow that...as long as Russians are included in the mission in Ukraine.

Time to find out if he is as cunning as is claimed.


It doesn't work that way.. The mission is carried out by the UN Human Rights Commission and they are currently operating in Ukraine.


Human Rights commission sees only what it was ordered to see. It's like when you google something, you condition your search criteria to key phrases that back up your initial sentiment.

They are paid to do just that, are they not?


cheers)


ps. water supply to Crimea was cut by junta to the point of water starvation on peninsula. Human rights you say, ha?

Western powers provoke Russia to cut gas supply to Ukraine in hopes if Russia does, to declare state of disaster on humanitarian grounds and use it as a pretence to put military UN boots in a region. But Russia for now will deliver supplies until situation totally defuses practically for no charge just to avoid that. But then, who knows.




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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:43 PM
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No.. hence the reason they don't use nationals from the countries involved.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:44 PM
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The UK's representative just shoved Simonovich's response up his a..se =)))))



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:46 PM
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Dutzy
The UK's representative just shoved Simonovich's response up his a..se =)))))


Simonovich is the UNHCR Representative who put the report together.

Do you mean him or do you mean the Russian Rep Vitaly Churkin ?



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:46 PM
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Dutzy
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The Russian representative simply states again what we see stated here again and again by a small number of posters =))))))

Joined yesterday... check
Posting striaght to political forum... check
From "former eastern block country"... check

Yep... it's a fish.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:47 PM
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zilebeliveunknown

Dutzy
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The Russian representative simply states again what we see stated here again and again by a small number of posters =))))))

Joined yesterday... check
Posting striaght to political forum... check
From "former eastern block country"... check

Yep... it's a fish.


Cant refute the facts... check
Attack the poster... check
Drag thread off topic... check..

Anything on topic? Like Russia being taken to task in the UN for its propaganda campaign or hos its been lying about ethnic Russians being attacked?
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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:48 PM
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An information I was unaware of, regarding Simonovich. The Russian speaker before Chad's was Simonovich or Churkin ? I found the translation button a bit late.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:50 PM
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Thank you for showing the world my true colours, seeing as I no longer need to hide and can post peacefully my propaganda.

Cheers



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:52 PM
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Dutzy
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An information I was unaware of, regarding Simonovich. The Russian speaker before Chad's was Simonovich or Churkin ? I found the translation button a bit late.


Simonovich is the UNHCR investigator.

Churkin is the Russian representative, who was taken to task by the British Rep.



Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 2m
"#Russia always in denial: armed groups in E #Ukraine described as peaceful demonstrators, UKR parties in Kiev as fascists" -France @ #UNSC

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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:53 PM
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Xcathdra

zilebeliveunknown

Dutzy
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The Russian representative simply states again what we see stated here again and again by a small number of posters =))))))

Joined yesterday... check
Posting striaght to political forum... check
From "former eastern block country"... check

Yep... it's a fish.


Cant refute the facts... check
Attack the poster... check
Drag thread off topic... check..

Anything on topic? Like Russia being taken to task in the UN for its propaganda campaign or hos its been lying about ethnic Russians being attacked?
edit on 16-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

I've already told you that the UN is a joke.
I couldn't care less what's happening there.
What counts is the situation on the ground.

Currently hot topic is new members falling out of nowhere.
To handlers: where are the sleepers (deflecting lol), why this blatantly with new members?
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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:54 PM
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Thank you for the clarification.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:57 PM
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Dutzy
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Thank you for the clarification.


Sure.. np.


The US rep made a valid point -

While the Human Rights abuses dropped when the new government in Kiev took over, human rights violations have increased in the south and east, areas Russia accuses Kiev for however areas where Kiev has the least control.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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Thanks for that! I missed it.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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Mamatus
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Thanks for that! I missed it.


Yup Yup... You are welcome.

For those who are interested the UN website has their meetings archived. You can access them to see what has been going on with this issue and all others.


China is speaking now and is taking a middle fo the road approach, which is not what Russia is wanting. All sides must resolve the situation.

The Ukraine situation is complex and the only way to resolve the situation is by political solution.

China supports discussion on the topic by all involved parties.

His I done now, Australia is speaking now.
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