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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 05:28 AM
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Ukrainian Defense Minister traveling to #Kramatorsk to clarify situation on troops and armored troop carriers - REUTERS




posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 05:40 AM
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Animosity in Kiev between Right Sector and Maidan Self Defence. Well everything is falling apart for Kiev.
These people are law enforcers in Kiev nowadays.

www.youtube.com...
edit on 16-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 05:46 AM
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Further conflicting info on the Ukrainian army APC's sporting Russian flags from BBC live text on Ukraine:



Acting head of the "homeland " in Parliament Sergey Sobolev declares deliberate use of the flag of the Ukrainian separatists technique to disorient the eastern regions. He said this at a briefing in parliament , according to " Ukrainian News" . "Open was a statement , and I think it will be released officially through press service , it is our armed units using guerrilla methods of entry directly to the parts that are currently controlled by the military units of the Russian Federation and separatist who financed them ," - he stated. According to Sobolev, this information was confirmed at a closed session of parliament acting Defence Minister



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 05:55 AM
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Dutzy
Further conflicting info on the Ukrainian army APC's sporting Russian flags from BBC live text on Ukraine:



Acting head of the "homeland " in Parliament Sergey Sobolev declares deliberate use of the flag of the Ukrainian separatists technique to disorient the eastern regions. He said this at a briefing in parliament , according to " Ukrainian News" . "Open was a statement , and I think it will be released officially through press service , it is our armed units using guerrilla methods of entry directly to the parts that are currently controlled by the military units of the Russian Federation and separatist who financed them ," - he stated. According to Sobolev, this information was confirmed at a closed session of parliament acting Defence Minister



If that is the case they would keep it quiet until the action starts or being completed not declaring it publicly now.
Just more cheap propaganda.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 06:17 AM
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I agree. Further info on the subject:


Lindsey Hilsum @lindseyhilsum Armed pro Russian in #Slovyansk says crews of seized #Ukraine APCs are in building 'deciding whether to change sides'.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 06:59 AM
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cosmonova
Animosity in Kiev between Right Sector and Maidan Self Defence. Well everything is falling apart for Kiev.
These people are law enforcers in Kiev nowadays.

www.youtube.com...
edit on 16-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)


Putin is certainly getting his money's worth!



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 07:14 AM
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asen_y2k
At the rate at which Ukrainian soldiers and armor is defecting, Russia does not need its army to take over Kiev.

What an embarrassment.
We all knew this from earlier defections, but now we can safely conclude that Ukraine doesn't even have a functional army and aren't capable to gather couple of thousands troops for their operations.
Kiev is only doing a favor for Russians by sending troops to east.
With this kind of situation development, eastern parts of Ukraine will fall much easier than I thought.
edit on 16-4-2014 by zilebeliveunknown because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 07:45 AM
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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 08:10 AM
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It appears that now we have more regions that want to secede from Ukraine. This time it's Polish minority.

Ukrainian Poles Demanding Autonomy



This appeal to Poles Kiev Zhitomir announced the following:

- to conduct a referendum in the Zhytomyr region to establish the Polish autonomy with enhanced self-governance rights. Polish language along with Ukrainian have to get the public;
- the return of all rights and powers of the Roman Catholic Church, which she possessed in the territory until 1939;
- return broadcast regional television programs in Polish, which was abolished in 2009;
- Polish street names back in Zhitomir and provincial cities;
- open secondary schools and primary children's educational establishments with the Polish language, and at the University of

Zhytomyr recreate Polish Studies Department with the aim of training the Polish language and literature.
According Sidor Kyzina: "Poles zhitomiroschiny recent decades have experienced difficult times, experiencing persecution and deprivation of the Ukrainian authorities.
Now they have a chance to revive their statehood within autonomy, which will make a step forward to unite Ukrainian Poles with their historical homeland."

Source



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 08:14 AM
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Info surfaces to the possibility of events to destabilize the Western part of Ukraine on April 28th:

zaxid.net...

translation:


Member of Parliament and former Minister of Internal Affairs Gennady Moskal said that in Lvov planned provocation on April 28 - the day which is the date the creation of the SS Division "Galicia". For information about preparing a provocation as Head of Lviv Regional State Administration Iryna Sekh . Meanwhile nationalist organizations say they do not plan events in Lviv on this day. Head of Lviv Regional State Administration Iryna Sekh said ZAXID.NET, which has information about what to Lviv possible provocations and sabotage. In this regard, it called MIA leadership requested as soon as possible to appoint a Head of the Police in Lviv region, because in this situation the head of the police field is required . In turn , Gennady Moskal , according to UNIAN, before April 16 said that the provocation in Ukraine are planned, in particular, on April 28. " April 28, a day which is considered as the creation of the SS Division " Galicia " , the central street of Lviv, Ivano -Frankivsk and Ternopil have to march with the symbol of the SS " Galicia " and slogans that are perceived by residents of Southeast Ukraine as a threat to freedom , life and property ... The plan also calls for the physical destruction of the separatist riots cells Communist Party, the Party of Regions and administrative buildings , "- said the MP. In addition, Moskal said that provocation as planned at the beginning of May, and their organizations should be involved in the Russian special services . Meanwhile, a number of public and political organizations of Lviv assured ZAXID.NET, no plans no action on April 28. Yes, Irina Sekh who is also the chairman of the regional organization "Svoboda" , said its political party has no plans to conduct any activities on April 28 . There is not going to hold marches " autonomous resistance" - this said one of its members Zeno Dashak . Lubomir Horbach , head of "Memory", which deals with the reconstruction of historical events and also sometimes arranges flights after the UPA in Ukraine , said ZAXID.NET, that his organization has no plans on April 28. The head of the regional branch of the party " Right sector" Artem said Lutsak turn ZAXID.NET, currently there is no information that his party planned march in Lviv on 28 April, and added that today in Ukraine there are more pressing issues .



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 08:18 AM
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Oops wrong forum.

edit on 24430America/ChicagoWed, 16 Apr 2014 08:24:18 -0500up3042 by interupt42 because: Sorry trying to be a little imperfect , I hear to much perfection is not good for your health.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 08:20 AM
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Ukrainian defense ministry confirms capture of APC's by separatist forces.

www.pravda.com.ua...

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In the Donetsk region Russian sabotage and terrorist groups and local extremists seized several samples armored forces. This was confirmed in the Defence Ministry. "16 April Kramators'k city in the Donetsk region includes six armored vehicles of the armed forces ( BMD ), which operated as planned anti-terrorist operation ", - told in the department. In the center of the column movement blocked the locals , " which included representatives of Russian labeled subversive and terrorist groups ." "As a result of blocking the extremists seized vehicles and column napravylas toward Slavic . 15.00 as of April 16 Tank is located close to one of adminbudivel in the center of Slavic " - found in the Defense Ministry. Near it are armed people in uniform , " unrelated to the armed forces of Ukraine ." " Information on the location of the Ukrainian military specified ," - said in a statement . As you know, before the Defense Ministry denied the fact of capture armored separatists and deputy Sobolev said that the raising of the Russian flag on the BMD was partisan trick to sneak in Slavic .

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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 08:26 AM
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You can see Below what Russia Gained in Crimea and what Ukraine lost , thats a rather huge amount of defense industries that Ukraine has lost....



Also note Eastern Ukraine is Ukraine's Economic Hub, loss of Eastern Ukraine will prove to be Disastrous for Ukraine and a massive Gain for Russia




Ukraine sends in Army to quell the protesters and army ends up sporting the Russian flag and switching sides....



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 08:29 AM
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zilebeliveunknown
It appears that now we have more regions that want to secede from Ukraine. This time it's Polish minority.

Ukrainian Poles Demanding Autonomy



This appeal to Poles Kiev Zhitomir announced the following:

- to conduct a referendum in the Zhytomyr region to establish the Polish autonomy with enhanced self-governance rights. Polish language along with Ukrainian have to get the public;
- the return of all rights and powers of the Roman Catholic Church, which she possessed in the territory until 1939;
- return broadcast regional television programs in Polish, which was abolished in 2009;
- Polish street names back in Zhitomir and provincial cities;
- open secondary schools and primary children's educational establishments with the Polish language, and at the University of

Zhytomyr recreate Polish Studies Department with the aim of training the Polish language and literature.
According Sidor Kyzina: "Poles zhitomiroschiny recent decades have experienced difficult times, experiencing persecution and deprivation of the Ukrainian authorities.
Now they have a chance to revive their statehood within autonomy, which will make a step forward to unite Ukrainian Poles with their historical homeland."

Source



Interesting. Wonder if the Poles will help a referendum.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 08:56 AM
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There is a grain of truth to all of it but what should be supported is the will of the Ukraine people, which is clearly divided at the moment, i'm glad and impressed it has stayed relatively bloodless thus far, fingers crossed



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 09:16 AM
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Updates from journalist Max Seddon, regarding Ukrainian soldiers who were believed to have defected to the separatists' side, who says things aren't as simple as they appear:


pressimus.com...:



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 09:28 AM
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all2human
There is a grain of truth to all of it but what should be supported is the will of the Ukraine people, which is clearly divided at the moment, i'm glad and impressed it has stayed relatively bloodless thus far, fingers crossed


Agreed.

Proud to see the people of Ukraine & the young men in the Ukrainian military take a stand and lay down their weapons. There doesn't need to be a War!

I was impressed by how the people embraced the young military men for standing down & not fighting against it's own people. I think those young men became Local Heroes lol.

Glad to see another bloodless day. Lets keep it up



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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Dutzy
Updates from journalist Max Seddon, regarding Ukrainian soldiers who were believed to have defected to the separatists' side, who says things aren't as simple as they appear:


pressimus.com...:



Well thats what happens when you give someone two weeks training and put them in combat they surrender and go homeon a bus. Ukrainians better wake up the military isnt going to stop this. Given 6 months and lots of training maybe but they are ill equipped and no military experience.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 10:15 AM
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“We’ve seen here that these are neither separatists nor terrorists, but ordinary local residents, with whom we are not going to go into battle,” one of the defecting soldiers said.

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Thats for you, my warmongering friend.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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asen_y2k
At the rate at which Ukrainian soldiers and armor is defecting, Russia does not need its army to take over Kiev.


Somehow I do not believe it unless i see ukranian IDs in person and them swearing allegiance to the russians. Its easy to switch a flag and claim you are something you are not.



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