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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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Xcathdra
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Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


I'm actually more of a pop-up blocker.


Sources:

The Atlantic - Egyptian Pamphlet translated

Here is a link to all the Egyptian pamphlets in arabic.

Here it is in Ukraine:



12160.info...




posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:12 PM
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reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Thank you sir



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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Xcathdra

demus

Xcathdra
reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


that's old stuff, already seen.


Well he introduced it and I would like to see the links to the sources discussing it.

You have introduced various BS before as well, and I'm still waiting for you to provide me with paragraph in Ukranian constitution where it says a coup is a legitimate act.
Friendly reminder



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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"Russian" colonel in Horlovka, actually local crime boss.

pressimus.com...


Ostrov,a local news site for the Donetsk area, reports on claims that the uniformed man who claimed to be a Russian Lieutenant Colonel while addressing defected police officers in Horlivka yesterday, is actually a local crime boss. Ostrov writes that a Horlivka resident has identified the man as a local crime boss who goes by the named 'Bezler'. Formerly, the pseudo-colonel of the Russian army was the head of a local funeral services company, from which he was sacked in 2012 for stealing 38 enclosures and monuments, as well as for extorting money from the elderly for plots in the cemetery. The man, who introduced himself as Aleksandr Fydorovich Shulzhenko to the police in Horlivka, may also have links to both Spetsnaz and the controversial local politician, Sergei Shakhov: Bezler showed up again during the last parliamentary elections. The kriminal.tv website identifies him as a former lieutenant colonel in Spetsnaz, and the manager of security for the Horlivka-based candidates, 'Team Shakhov'.


edit on 15-4-2014 by Dutzy because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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Xcathdra
reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


Yeah me to seems odd but im suspicious by nature. Looking at it i doubt they were used in egypt at all.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:16 PM
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zilebeliveunknown

Xcathdra

demus

Xcathdra
reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


that's old stuff, already seen.


Well he introduced it and I would like to see the links to the sources discussing it.

You have introduced various BS before as well,


I resent that!



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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Rosinitiate

Xcathdra
reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


I'm actually more of a pop-up blocker.


Sources:

The Atlantic - Egyptian Pamphlet translated

Here is a link to all the Egyptian pamphlets in arabic.

Here it is in Ukraine:



12160.info...



The strategic goals are interesting did you read it sounds like the playbook being used. The problem is with the internet material like that is readily available.The question is who would be distributing it and why?



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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dragonridr

Xcathdra
reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


Yeah me to seems odd but im suspicious by nature. Looking at it i doubt they were used in egypt at all.


Yeah, yeah, I'm the disinfo agent... *rolls eyes*



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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reply to post by Rosinitiate
 

Sorry mate.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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dragonridr

Xcathdra
reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


Yeah me to seems odd but im suspicious by nature. Looking at it i doubt they were used in egypt at all.


I checked his links.. As far as credible media outlet - its a toss up imo. the other issue I see is the photos of the pamphlet with the Cyrillic. The images posted aren't the same pictures. It does not explain where they were located or how turned them in. It links the pamphlets to he Egyptian uprising back in 2011 and then claims it was made by US NGO's and handed out. That is the only link they seem to show.

Absent specific information that can corroborate the info more, im not putting much faith that it is completely accurate or that is was done by the US or an NGO.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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dragonridr

Rosinitiate

Xcathdra
reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


I'm actually more of a pop-up blocker.


Sources:

The Atlantic - Egyptian Pamphlet translated

Here is a link to all the Egyptian pamphlets in arabic.

Here it is in Ukraine:



12160.info...



The strategic goals are interesting did you read it sounds like the playbook being used. The problem is with the internet material like that is readily available.The question is who would be distributing it and why?


An NGO shell company for spooks to foment unrest in countries that wish to change the political landscape in. What else?
edit on 15-4-2014 by Rosinitiate because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:26 PM
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dragonridr

Xcathdra
reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


Yeah me to seems odd but im suspicious by nature. Looking at it i doubt they were used in egypt at all.


no, they were not used in Egypt nor in Ukraine...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


edit on 15-4-2014 by demus because: filling the gaps in knowledge



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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zilebeliveunknown

Xcathdra

demus

Xcathdra
reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


that's old stuff, already seen.


Well he introduced it and I would like to see the links to the sources discussing it.

You have introduced various BS before as well, and I'm still waiting for you to provide me with paragraph in Ukranian constitution where it says a coup is a legitimate act.
Friendly reminder


I did.. I showed you where Russian media covered the agreement Yanukovych signed that reinstated the 2004 Constitution. I also showed Russian media sources that broke down the signed agreement, which talked about the 2004 Constitution being reinstated within 48 hours - once the Parliament approved it.

I then showed you in the 2004 Constitution the streamlined process for impeachment.

I provided you the link to the vote where the Parliament reinstated the Constitution, meeting constitutional requirements of 2/3 majority in the Parliament to vote in favor to pass.

I proved a link discussing the impeachment vote, which again met the 2/3 requirement to remove Yanukovych.

You and the others are the ones who refuse to accept the truth. The information was provided.. If you don't like it, tough. You are more than welcome to post your position as you have done before. the difference is you don't post anything to support your claim that a coup occurred because there is nothing that supports that position, aside from Russian propaganda media.

As an example, using Russian media, they covered the Ukraine Parliament elections in 2012 and issued an official statement (Russian government) talking about those results. Those members of Parliament are the SAME people who removed Yanukovych.

I not only provided the info, but links to all sources used.

So here is an idea... Support your claims with facts and cite your sources as to how you have arrived that there was a coup ion Kiev. While your at it explain to us how a coup did not occur in Crimea, where armed masked gunmen stormed their government buildings and took the lawfully elected Prime Minister of Crimea into custody. They then arbitrarily replaced him with NO elections.

Seriously, explain how that was not a coup in Crimea.
Explain how there was a coup in Kiev.. Be specific. Use facts and cite your sources.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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She would be first on my security detail.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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Rosinitiate

dragonridr

Rosinitiate

Xcathdra
reply to post by Rosinitiate
 


Care to supply the links to where you obtained all the info you posted, pictures and all please? As well as any links discussing those fliers being used in Egypt and Ukraine.

I find it interesting that as Ukraine fights back, that post pops up...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


I'm actually more of a pop-up blocker.


Sources:

The Atlantic - Egyptian Pamphlet translated

Here is a link to all the Egyptian pamphlets in arabic.

Here it is in Ukraine:



12160.info...



The strategic goals are interesting did you read it sounds like the playbook being used. The problem is with the internet material like that is readily available.The question is who would be distributing it and why?


An NGO shell company for spooks to foment unrest in countries that wish to change the political landscape in. What else?
edit on 15-4-2014 by Rosinitiate because: (no reason given)


You mean like "self defense forces"?



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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The person who posted that info claims they are.

here is his post making the claim -

www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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@SkyNewsBreak: Russian news agency: President Putin says expects clear condemnation by the UN of "Kiev's anti-constitutional actions in Eastern #Ukraine"
This mans hypocrisy shows no boundaries.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:30 PM
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This might explain the airborne troop confusion -


The Moscow Times ‏@MoscowTimes · 1m
Ukraine Armed Forces Land Airborne Troops in Eastern Town tmt-go.ru... #news





ProfessorT

@SkyNewsBreak: Russian news agency: President Putin says expects clear condemnation by the UN of "Kiev's anti-constitutional actions in Eastern #Ukraine"
This mans hypocrisy shows no boundaries.


he has to make the claims now. He has been called out and his hand in Ukraine has been exposed. His next step is to throw a temper tantrum and demand the UN act against Ukraine in the same manner it has viewed Putin / Russia in this mess.

If Putin wants Ukraine to be condemned then maybe he should not have vetoed the condemnation of Russian actions in Crimea.

I swear when Putin visits places dogs start forming into packs and blood starts weeping from the walls.
edit on 15-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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picture says more than a thousand words.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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With Germany being Russias largest trading partner, he sure is pissing them off like no other. First Germany announces reverse sale of gas to Ukraine and now this -


Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP · 1m
VIDEO: German paper petitions to clear Russian tanks from Berlin youtu.be...




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