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reply to post by intrptr
It confirmed he visited.
No issues there.. A few pages back I stated his visit could have been to brief Ukraine's leaders direct instead of turning over classified information to them and risking it landing in Russian hands. I speculated and wanted confirmation.
However, the purpose of his visit is not confirmed and even Russian media has stated over and over they cannot confirm the information of what his visit was for.edit on 14-4-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
The purpose of his visit (apart from delivering cookies Ms Nuland sent) was to provide instructions and give orders for action against south and east. The Proof? Right after that, next day, Kiev has announced large military action against its people there.
Edit-should say ordered military action
edit on 14-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)
Yes - Like I said before Russian media is reporting but they are stating they cant confirm the purpose of the visit.
what is your opinion on the fact that in the middle of current events in Eastern and South Ukraine, CIA boss comes to visit
self-proclaimed Government representatives and right next day self-proclaimed president has ordered a massive military offensive against his own people? Notice it is a CIA boss.
I really hate to ruin your timeline but they have been talking of using force for over a week. He finally set a deadline but all along was talking he would use force if necessary. So i gues that means his CIA boss was all late considering everything was already in the works. Now do you have any proof of CIA involvement other than your speculations. Any operational plans or heck even someone who overheard the conversation? See looks to me you have nothing than a theory you invented.
lol at proof about intelligence agency activities.
Speaking about proof, where is the UN document that give Ukraine a green light to use military force? You said UN gave a green light to Ukraine, please show us official UN document. Well as you said, theory you invented.
Watch the speeches by the UN security council they actually said force is justified in the situation because it is an attack on their sovereignty.
here its a long video but i think the security council made things very clear on their thoughts and what Russia was doing if they're not careful Russia will get thrown out the UN because everyone made it clear to the poor Russian ambassador what they thought.
you see there is a difference between 'I think' and official document. 'i think' is what you have tried to present as an official UN statement in your previous emails.
I would like to see a list of countries who justified a use of military force at that meeting.
Oh so there statements on the record arent enough you do realize they record the meetings for a reason dont you? The security council meeting is now official record and indeed can be cited later if the UN takes further action. I know your used to a dictatorship but the UN works through votes.
I will try again, it was only a session and there is no official statement as a result of that session.
We have seen what we have seen before, US and EU attacking Russia for alleged interference, Russia doing opposite and India, China and many others took a neutral stand. So where is the green light from UN for a military use?
I have even checked all major online media and nothing like what you'd like to present.
The Ukrainian ambassador left that meeting knowing he had the support of the security council to use force with the excpetion of Russia of course. See the Russians thought the security council would advise them against using force its the reason they called the meeting. Just didnt work out like they expected but again Russia has been miscalculating responses since this began. As i said read the transcripts there on the UN website apparently your search wasnt adequate. As far as official UN general assembly things so far the only thing they authorized was the observers. But as i said if Russia keeps pushing that will change as well. Now you may not like the transcripts but they are a UN document and every country at the meeting explained they were ok with the use of force. Especially lithuania i suggest you watch her speech. She was all to worried that Russia would try to help ethinic Russians in her country you could tell.
reply to post by BobAthome
I agree and its a bad pattern negotiations are coming to an end and that narrows down the remaining options.Russias continued refusal to negotiate this with Ukraine is narrowing this down to a major conflict and in that everyone loses.
The Right Sector and Svoboda are pushing the current Junta in Kiev to take military action. This is per the backing and push of the US and NATO.
This way, a military action will curb the protests. If Russia joins in i.e. invades to protect the Russian populations, then US/EU go ahead and put various sanctions on Russia to weaken it economically.
However, we all know that sanctions will effect EU economies severely also. Hence they might not follow along the US lines.
End result would be, because of RS and Svoboda, an established government in Kiev broke down which resulted in Ukraine losing Crimea. Now these losers are soon going to lose S-E Ukraine in one swipe as they are pushing for a military action.
The real military action needed is towards the RS and Svoboda. That might save Ukraine from totally falling apart.
Idiots in Kiev are still following the line of US. Once Russia starts throwing punches, they will not find any US around. They will only shout from distance.
reply to post by victor7
I can accept both sides,Russia deserves to be raked over the coals politically, they did cross the line in Ukraine, i don't buy it that Russian's were ever in 'danger' and their argument is gone regarding outside intervention anytime in the future
However, based on their actions to date I don't think the parliament lead coup,and the appointed head of the government reflect the will of most Ukrainian's or at least half of them.
Here's the latest from VICE. (They are behind, it's from the 9-10th, still interesting)
reply to post by Wookiep
You know something i now realize after watching that video why Russia's death rate has been lower than their birth rate. They eat mayonnaise and lard on a sandwich thats a heart attack waiting to happen. No wonder there population has been dropping.
reply to post by dragonridr
Russians do eat lots of fat but the real problem in their society is Vodka.
Two pro-Russian politicians have been attacked by pro-Ukrainian activists in the capital Kiev as tensions grow over unrest in eastern parts of Ukraine, where pro-Russian gunmen have seized government buildings in nearly 10 cities.
Oleh Tsaryov, a pro-Russian lawmaker and a candidate in the May 25 presidential elections, was beaten by dozens of enraged activists in the early hours of Tuesday as he was leaving a television studio.
The activists pelted him with eggs, shouted insults and then assaulted him. Tsaryov's press service said in a statement that he was "brutally beaten". Another Russian-leaning politician and presidential hopeful, Mikhaylo Dobkin, was sprayed with a green disinfectant and had flour thrown at him late Monday. Moscow accused Kiev authorities of condoning such activism. [AP
Interim President Oleksandr Turchynov has announced that Ukrainian special forces had launched an anti-terrorist operation in the northern part of Donetsk oblast before dawn on April 15.
"Tonight an anti-terrorist operation began in the north of Donetsk oblast. It will be conducted step-by-step, responsibly, deliberately. The goal of these actions, I want to underline, is to defend the citizens of Ukraine," said Turchynov, speaking before the Verkhovna Rada.