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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:12 AM
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The airport seizure plus Ukraine agreeing to UN peace keepers. Two new developments. Russia could now enter their own peacekeepers before allowing UN ones, which I am sure they do not want. The question is how exactly will Russia ask UN to not send peacekeepers, they themselves said they are willing to send in Russian peacekeepers, but what excuse will they have to stop an UN peacekeeping force.
Time is running out for Russias response to this development. They must act fast.




posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:13 AM
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@AP: MORE: Acting President Turchynov suggested that an 'anti-terrorist operation' could be conducted jointly: t.co...



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:16 AM
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Myroslava Petsa @myroslavapetsa Maidan activists to hold a rally at 19:00 in #Kyiv, demand actions by government to stop #Ukraine from falling apart. 1 min ago 7 retweets |



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:16 AM
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asen_y2k
The airport seizure plus Ukraine agreeing to UN peace keepers. Two new developments. Russia could now enter their own peacekeepers before allowing UN ones, which I am sure they do not want. The question is how exactly will Russia ask UN to not send peacekeepers, they themselves said they are willing to send in Russian peacekeepers, but what excuse will they have to stop an UN peacekeeping force.
Time is running out for Russias response to this development. They must act fast.


they will probably ask for Russian peacekeepers to be included.

that is exactly what two of us were suggesting few pages back.

everyone wins, Ukraine lose.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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dragonridr

helius
reply to post by Yusomad
 


I totally agree with you.

Even though the western mainstream media is flowing over with good old day Russian anti propaganda, doing their best to discredit the Russians, I am not sure that it works in the west anymore. A quick check on various discussions forums as well as family /friends in my own (western) country clearly indicates that a lot of common western people are backing Russia in this conflict , and the ones who backs them are not those traditional old communists, but from all kind of political parties actually.

I think the mob who ceased power by force and illegal means in Ukraine has started something they will regret, but they have clearly been misguided by EU and Obama who obviously have told them it would be a piece of cake. Politicians in EU and Obama’s America have become intoxicated by their power and believes in their own cleverness. The arrogance and madness of EU and Obama’s America has eventually backfired. In my opinion , it’s a good thing.

edit on 14-4-2014 by helius because: (no reason given)


Wow alot of generalities there saying absolutely nothing. Ukraines government was green lighted by the UN to protect their sovereignty as any other nation would do from an invasion of Russian troops. Do you really think they should just sit there and let the Russians take eastern Ukraine?


Where is the document from UN giving a green light for military operation?
Details please.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:20 AM
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asen_y2k

Myroslava Petsa @myroslavapetsa Maidan activists to hold a rally at 19:00 in #Kyiv, demand actions by government to stop #Ukraine from falling apart. 1 min ago 7 retweets |


Looks like new Maidan might come even before I expected.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:21 AM
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dragonridr

demus

dragonridr

DJW001

demus

DJW001
reply to post by renden
 



Correct, Russian speaking Ukrainians that refused criminal orders by CIA-Kiev usurpers to kill other Russian speakers.


Please provide a copy of these orders so we can examine them for authenticity.


it can be found on CIA website, they have posted it publicly for everyone to see, of course.

www.cia.gov...


Why do you tell such easily disproven lies? There is nothing there but routine press releases!



Hes apparently taking lessons from RT because your right has nothing to do with it.


of course, because usually secret services, security agencies and army always upload their latest orders to their FB profiles.

surprisingly, CIA didn't do so, so that order SURELY doesn't exist.


You make an acusation and claim it to be fact than to make matters worse lie to try to show these orders were given. Than when shown your facts were made up you than try to say well of course the CIA doesnt post its secret orders. So why not just admit you have no proof of secret orders and its just made up Russian propaganda. So youve shown your information is unreliable and even worse youve shown us you are a liar.


once again, I didn't claim anything about any orders.

I was just pointing to the stup...you know.

better you write your posts slower and double check who are you replying to.

it can get confusing at moments but I am sure you can do it.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:24 AM
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dragonridr

helius
reply to post by Yusomad
 


I totally agree with you.

Even though the western mainstream media is flowing over with good old day Russian anti propaganda, doing their best to discredit the Russians, I am not sure that it works in the west anymore. A quick check on various discussions forums as well as family /friends in my own (western) country clearly indicates that a lot of common western people are backing Russia in this conflict , and the ones who backs them are not those traditional old communists, but from all kind of political parties actually.

I think the mob who ceased power by force and illegal means in Ukraine has started something they will regret, but they have clearly been misguided by EU and Obama who obviously have told them it would be a piece of cake. Politicians in EU and Obama’s America have become intoxicated by their power and believes in their own cleverness. The arrogance and madness of EU and Obama’s America has eventually backfired. In my opinion , it’s a good thing.

edit on 14-4-2014 by helius because: (no reason given)


Wow alot of generalities there saying absolutely nothing. Ukraines government was green lighted by the UN to protect their sovereignty as any other nation would do from an invasion of Russian troops. Do you really think they should just sit there and let the Russians take eastern Ukraine?


again with invasion story.
NOBODY in the world claims Russia is invading Eastern Ukraine yet you do.
little bit radical isn't it?



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:31 AM
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Interesting text if my translation works ok. Looks like Ukrainian forces lost a truck carrying rocket launcher. It fell from the bridge and 2 soldiers died. They also lost 5 tanks in fire? And they even lost a fighter jet?
Can one one help with translation?
Rusvesna.su/news/1397479678



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:31 AM
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demus
yeah, surely, picking the people who will be new Ukrainian government is all out of contest.(Nuland)

Being they are members of Parliament and leaders of their respective parties why would they not meet / talk with them?



demus
that is only one conversation and you can rest assured Kerry and McCain did some nasty things behind closed doors as well.
using same script all the time: preaching about democracy and human rights while serving private interests of the powerful in secrecy.

I have to admit it; they are doing their job well.


Careful throwing rocks in a glass house..

Amid US-Russia tussle over Ukraine, a leaked tape of Victoria Nuland


In an interview with the Kommersant-Ukraine newspaper out today Sergei Glazyev, the Kremlin's top advisor on Ukraine, said President Viktor Yanukovych should use force against the putschists and lashed out at the US.


Sergei Glazyev - Aid to President Putin

Ironic



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:32 AM
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posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:33 AM
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edit on 14-4-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:37 AM
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reply to post by demus
 


One way I know the Western Main Stream media supports the "Nationalists" in Kiev is that whenever they talk about it, they call the thugs that overthrew the Ukrainian government in Kiev "protesters", while any Ukrainian citizen that resists them is labeled "pro Russian".

Such a thin veil to see through.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:38 AM
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cosmonova

dragonridr

helius
reply to post by Yusomad
 


I totally agree with you.

Even though the western mainstream media is flowing over with good old day Russian anti propaganda, doing their best to discredit the Russians, I am not sure that it works in the west anymore. A quick check on various discussions forums as well as family /friends in my own (western) country clearly indicates that a lot of common western people are backing Russia in this conflict , and the ones who backs them are not those traditional old communists, but from all kind of political parties actually.

I think the mob who ceased power by force and illegal means in Ukraine has started something they will regret, but they have clearly been misguided by EU and Obama who obviously have told them it would be a piece of cake. Politicians in EU and Obama’s America have become intoxicated by their power and believes in their own cleverness. The arrogance and madness of EU and Obama’s America has eventually backfired. In my opinion , it’s a good thing.

edit on 14-4-2014 by helius because: (no reason given)


Wow alot of generalities there saying absolutely nothing. Ukraines government was green lighted by the UN to protect their sovereignty as any other nation would do from an invasion of Russian troops. Do you really think they should just sit there and let the Russians take eastern Ukraine?


Where is the document from UN giving a green light for military operation?
Details please.


Listen to the UN security council's last meeting every country except Russia oddly enough was telling them they can use force to protect their sovereignty.They also called Russia out on its sending in troops into eastern Ukraine and having troops on the border exposing those lies again.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:41 AM
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Darn things are just so hard to keep track of arent they? There not going to admit there in the middle of fighting until its over so something tells me there will be alot of misplaced stuff.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:43 AM
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intrptr
reply to post by demus
 


One way I know the Western Main Stream media supports the "Nationalists" in Kiev is that whenever they talk about it, they call the thugs that overthrew the Ukrainian government in Kiev "protesters", while any Ukrainian citizen that resists them is labeled "pro Russian".

Such a thin veil to see through.


When you have people saying Russia over and over and touting Russian flags what else are you going to call them? Did you even think about this before you said it?



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:44 AM
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ufoorbhunter
Interesting attempt at analysing Putins mind......but put yourself in his shoes

Well, since Putin has ethics that would raise eyebrows in the court of Caligula there is no way possible for me to go that low.



ufoorbhunter
USA/NATO/Whataver name you want has completely surrounded Russia

Please review the Geography for the region. Russia is not surrounded by the US nor NATO.



ufoorbhunter
USA has a damned nerve to do this and the bear is pushing back

The bear can push back all they want. In the end the bear will be nothing but exhausted and defeated.



ufoorbhunter
If Russian troops and bases were transplanted to Mexico and Canada, oh yes add Cuba

How would America react?

The same as we are now. Russia has recently returned military cooperation to Cuba, in addition to Venezuela (along with use of their military bases).



ufoorbhunter
Sorry to use the phrase, but the Americans have taken the piss

and Putin will be the one smelling like urine when its done.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:45 AM
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reply to post by demus
 


Keep it civil please.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:49 AM
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demus

dragonridr

DJW001

demus

DJW001
reply to post by renden
 



Correct, Russian speaking Ukrainians that refused criminal orders by CIA-Kiev usurpers to kill other Russian speakers.


Please provide a copy of these orders so we can examine them for authenticity.


it can be found on CIA website, they have posted it publicly for everyone to see, of course.

www.cia.gov...


Why do you tell such easily disproven lies? There is nothing there but routine press releases!



Hes apparently taking lessons from RT because your right has nothing to do with it.


of course, because usually secret services, security agencies and army always upload their latest orders to their FB profiles.

surprisingly, CIA didn't do so, so that order SURELY doesn't exist.


It wouldn't surprise me if they did...

Russia says its troops aren't in Crimea, but this soldier's photos suggest otherwise


Here’s the story Vladimir Putin is selling to the rest of the world: The Russian army never invaded Crimea. All the heavily armed men surrounding Ukrainian military bases are just locals defending their region. He has denied charges from the West and Kiev that he has sent new troops to the peninsula.

But proof that the Russian military has put troops on Ukrainian soil is as easy to find as looking up a social media profile.

On VKontakte, Russia's equivalent to Facebook, Sergei Maximov, a Russian special forces sniper, has been posting pictures of himself armed to the teeth next to civilians on the streets Crimea. The photos of Maximov, who was not in Crimea until recently according to his own social media profile, gives the lie to the idea that new Russian troops have not entered Ukraine.

Clink link for remainder of article.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 08:54 AM
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cosmonova
Interesting text if my translation works ok. Looks like Ukrainian forces lost a truck carrying rocket launcher. It fell from the bridge and 2 soldiers died. They also lost 5 tanks in fire? And they even lost a fighter jet?
Can one one help with translation?
Rusvesna.su/news/1397479678


That sounds like BS but I have wondered ever since Crimea if Russia is using exotic weapons. Maybe I play too much Red Alert but an army couldn't secure my street much less the entire region I live in without the crazy old man down the street shooting one of them. Mind control devices perhaps? Again too much Red Alert but all the same I don't believe psychic beacons can be ruled out just yet.




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