Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

all2human
How the appointed govt of Ukraine will respond to this will be pivotal, imo they have there hands tied.

They have already send their special forces there, may storm the building tonight. But that will help the Russian line of Kiev agression against its people.

reply to post by asen_y2k


Perhaps this is the objective?
proving the current govt is worse or no better mean the latter

I think it's been quite telling how patient Ukraine have been. I haven't come across any reports of Ukrainian police and/or their Special Forces using the level of force like a few months back. The government are clearly frightened to use any force in case Russia use it as a pretext to invade. Inevitably at some point they will. The government need to grow a set and use proportionate methods to stop this nonsense.

Head of Ministry of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov promises to get the situation in Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv under control without bloodshed.

Lyashko want to block all internet resources separatists

Kanal 24

#Russian operator: #Kiev Alpha special forces group is planning storm of government building in #Donetsk #Ukraine after midnight

#Russian operator: Ukrainian special forces are getting off buses at Borispol airport in #Kiev #Ukraine. Likely heading to #Donetsk

Alpha forces are the most elite forces of internal troops of Kiev.

Asen, maybe you will know this and be able to give more accurate numbers, etc than Wikipedia or other sources. How many 'Special Forces' units does Ukraine have? Are they spread out across Ukraine? How well equipped are they and what are their overall numbers?

reply to post by ProfessorT


Having seen the incredibly weak response to all of this from the west, against the overwhelming Russian military power, what else can the Ukrainians do?

Perhaps their best move now would be unconditional surrender?

One on one against Putin's Russia would be a suicidal act of extreme futility. Not only that, it may be the strategic provocation the Russians would use as a pretext for an all out assault and invasion.

It is what it is.

reply to post by ProfessorT


I agree,however has the restraint from the Ukraine govt been from a lack of loyalty from it's generals/military forces or just a result of cold feet..
time will tell

ProfessorT
Asen, maybe you will know this and be able to give more accurate numbers, etc than Wikipedia or other sources. How many 'Special Forces' units does Ukraine have? Are they spread out across Ukraine? How well equipped are they and what are their overall numbers?

Well dont know about the numbers, but have seen them and also been checked out by then, they are very well armed.

ausername
reply to post by ProfessorT

 

Having seen the incredibly weak response to all of this from the west, against the overwhelming Russian military power, what else can the Ukrainians do?

Perhaps their best move now would be unconditional surrender?

One on one against Putin's Russia would be a suicidal act of extreme futility. Not only that, it may be the strategic provocation the Russians would use as a pretext for an all out assault and invasion.

It is what it is.

From a personal perspective I don't think it's about numbers which rightly or wrongly I think you are hinting at as well as the various military capabilities Russia has. Ukraine have some pretty decent bits of kit floating about. They make a lot of Russia's military equipment which is another reason Vladimir Putin can't let go of Ukraine. Also, if Russia were to invade, NATO would respond. No-one wants war but it's looking more likely everyday. Ukraine would need to start with air defences first, tank traps, etc.

reply to post by ProfessorT


Any aggressive overt military actions on Russian assets/troops would be an act of provocation that Russia would use as justification for an all out assault and possible invasion.

For the Ukraine they may be damned if they do and damned if they don't now.

In that scenario NATO intervention is NOT likely, IMO.

reply to post by ausername


NATO can not be seen to intervene by protecting a revolutionary government that has toppled the democratic process. Russia will be able to pick off what it wants of Ukraine

#Ukraine special forces are heading from #Kiev to #Donetsk, pro-#Kremlin forces are discussing to break/cover/switch off airport lights

Euromaidan PR - BREAKING #Kharkiv separatists captured regional administration building. unian.net |PR News #Ukraine.

reply to post by ProfessorT


NATO have no mandate to protect Ukraine?
The UN would not demand such a act either. That would mean the end of us all if NATO steps in.

spy66
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NATO have no mandate to protect Ukraine?
The UN would not demand such a act either. That would mean the end of us all if NATO steps in.

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^^ edited on 27.06.08???

I think there are more giveaways about just how involved Russia is in organising these protests. There is one picture circulating on Twitter showing a male dressed in a suit seemingly joining in with the cheering crowd that is probably below him. Alongside him is a man in a balaclava and they are both on top of the regional building in Donetsk. Who goes to a protest wearing a suit? Secondly another picture has appeared showing about 50 tyres in a pile outside a building occupied by pro-Russian people. Where have they got these tyres from? There are also women sitting on the perimeter. This is exactly what was happening in Crimea.

asen_y2k

spy66
reply to post by ProfessorT

 

NATO have no mandate to protect Ukraine?
The UN would not demand such a act either. That would mean the end of us all if NATO steps in.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

^^ edited on 27.06.08???

%$#! time travelers..

#Russian coordinator in #Donetsk #UA: let #Russian journalists in but not Ukrainian channels (especially not channel 5). They're our shield

Looks like they are building a human shield to protect them from the special forces.

Request for Consultation on Russian Military Buildup on Ukraine Border Refused, OSCE to Meet Monday

April 5, 2014 The Russian Federation has refused a U.S. request under the terms of the Vienna Document for a multilateral consultation to explain Russia’s military buildup on the Ukrainian border, the U.S. Permanent Representative to the Organization for Security and Cooperation, Ambassador Daniel Baer, said today.

The U.S. Mission, as well as other participating States, subsequently requested a joint convening of the OSCE’s Forum for Security Cooperation and Permanent Council, which the Swiss Chair-in-Office will schedule for Monday, April 7, in the Hofburg Palace in Vienna. Such a meeting is foreseen under the Vienna Document’s risk reduction mechanisms, to consult on unusual military activities.

Baer expressed his disappointment with Russia’s unwillingness to engage on the issue of the military buildup, which is of serious concern to the international community. “The Russian Federation has declined an important opportunity under the Vienna Document framework to provide a credible rationale for massing many thousands of troops on Ukraine’s borders,” Baer said.

“Russia’s ‘explanations’ to date have ranged from contradictory claims that there has been no troop buildup, to statements that Russian forces there are engaged in routine exercises,” the U.S. Ambassador continued. “Monday's meeting will be an opportunity for OSCE participating States, all of which are signatories of the Vienna Document, to share information and seek better explanations from the Russian Federation. Given Russia’s recent violations of international law and their OSCE commitments, the international community is rightfully concerned by Russia’s military activity and its effects on regional peace and security.”

Ambassador Baer will be available to all interested media after the combined FSC-PC on Monday.

Good to see Russia cooperating.