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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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Meanwhile, behind the scenes...

Monetary Blockade Of Russia Begins: JPMorgan Blocks Russian Money Transfer "Under Pretext" Of Sanctions



While the flare up of Cold War 2.0 may seem like last week's news, overnight something very notable happened that so far virtually nobody appears to have paid attention to. According to Russian Kommersant, none other than the biggest US bank, JPMorgan, was reported to be "reviewing counterpart relations with all Russian lenders" citing unidentified people.




Because what JPM may have just done is launch a preemptive strike which would have the equivalent culmination of a SWIFT blockade of Russia, the same way Iran was neutralized from the Petrodollar and was promptly forced to begin transacting in Rubles, Yuan and, of course, gold in exchange for goods and services either imported or exported.



Wait, did JPM just take a unilateral action, not mandated by the state department (because nowhere in the Russian sanction list does it say putting a freeze on Russian bank transfers), and refuse to process a simple money transfer? Why?




One wonders: is JPM truly that intent in preserving its "pristine" reputation of not transacting with "evil Russians", that it will gladly light the fuse that takes away Russia's choice whether or not to depart the petrodollar voluntarily, and makes it a compulsory outcome, which incidentally will merely accelerate the formalization of the Eurasian axis of China, Russia and India.


Full report here...

www.zerohedge.com...

Rainbows
Jane




posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 04:07 PM
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ProfessorT
Russia want some form of armed conflict. At the moment they appear to be doing all they can to get Ukraine to react to their provocations including sending government puppets into Ukraine to stir up protests and pockets of disorder. Russia can't afford to 'lose' Ukraine in Vladimir Putin's eyes hence he is dictating Adolf Hitler-like military invasions.
edit on 1-4-2014 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)


You mean like the western powers with svoboda and maidan?
Boy you really throw softballs today, so no invasion yet? Was it n ot last week?
Aw the hitler analogy how appropriate...



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 05:47 PM
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Yusomad

ProfessorT
Russia want some form of armed conflict. At the moment they appear to be doing all they can to get Ukraine to react to their provocations including sending government puppets into Ukraine to stir up protests and pockets of disorder. Russia can't afford to 'lose' Ukraine in Vladimir Putin's eyes hence he is dictating Adolf Hitler-like military invasions.
edit on 1-4-2014 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)


You mean like the western powers with svoboda and maidan?
Boy you really throw softballs today, so no invasion yet? Was it n ot last week?
Aw the hitler analogy how appropriate...



The invasion all ready happened i guess they didnt get that on your news stations. See when a country takes troops and goes into another country thats an invasion. So its already happened the only question left is will they go further or not.Im hoping Putin isnt that stupid the isolation of Russia is already starting and even he knows he cant go it alone. See the international community doesnt like it when you go inyo another country and claim their territory. So go troll somewhere else you've wasted enough of our time. Speaking of which back to updates.I was reading how NATO is now supporting Ukraine and apparently troop movements have started.




As Russia warns Ukraine, NATO moves to embrace it

NATO ministers meeting in Brussels Tuesday ordered up plans for beefing up defenses and the Alliance presence in member countries closest to Russia – such as the Baltic states and Poland – that have expressed growing unease over Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

At the same time, they approved a suspension of cooperation with Russia that will affect hundreds of programs, from counterterrorism efforts to civilian air security programs.




Earlier Tuesday Russia left no doubt about its view of closer Ukraine-NATO ties, issuing a statement that largely blamed past Ukrainian flirtations with NATO for the crisis shaking Europe’s post-cold-war order.


Oh and this is interesting it tells us the real reason Putin went into Ukraine instead of the false pretext he made up. At least Russias being honest for once.They finally admitted why the funny part is his invasion caused it to happen. Ukraines going to join the EU and NATO wow talk about a bone head move. Russia had so much influence in Ukraine he could have easily started assistance programs and made Russia look like a hero as they say you catch more flies with honey.



edit on 4/1/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 07:36 PM
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dragonridr

Yusomad

ProfessorT
Russia want some form of armed conflict. At the moment they appear to be doing all they can to get Ukraine to react to their provocations including sending government puppets into Ukraine to stir up protests and pockets of disorder. Russia can't afford to 'lose' Ukraine in Vladimir Putin's eyes hence he is dictating Adolf Hitler-like military invasions.
edit on 1-4-2014 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)


You mean like the western powers with svoboda and maidan?
Boy you really throw softballs today, so no invasion yet? Was it n ot last week?
Aw the hitler analogy how appropriate...



The invasion all ready happened i guess they didnt get that on your news stations. See when a country takes troops and goes into another country thats an invasion. So its already happened the only question left is will they go further or not.Im hoping Putin isnt that stupid the isolation of Russia is already starting and even he knows he cant go it alone. See the international community doesnt like it when you go inyo another country and claim their territory. So go troll somewhere else you've wasted enough of our time. Speaking of which back to updates.I was reading how NATO is now supporting Ukraine and apparently troop movements have started.




As Russia warns Ukraine, NATO moves to embrace it

NATO ministers meeting in Brussels Tuesday ordered up plans for beefing up defenses and the Alliance presence in member countries closest to Russia – such as the Baltic states and Poland – that have expressed growing unease over Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

At the same time, they approved a suspension of cooperation with Russia that will affect hundreds of programs, from counterterrorism efforts to civilian air security programs.




Earlier Tuesday Russia left no doubt about its view of closer Ukraine-NATO ties, issuing a statement that largely blamed past Ukrainian flirtations with NATO for the crisis shaking Europe’s post-cold-war order.


Oh and this is interesting it tells us the real reason Putin went into Ukraine instead of the false pretext he made up. At least Russias being honest for once.They finally admitted why the funny part is his invasion caused it to happen. Ukraines going to join the EU and NATO wow talk about a bone head move. Russia had so much influence in Ukraine he could have easily started assistance programs and made Russia look like a hero as they say you catch more flies with honey.



edit on 4/1/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



Oh the irony. Preaching about invasion. Didn't you say somewhere that you took a part in invasion of Iraq?

Ukraine is never going to join NATO
www.cnsnews.com...

In regards to joining EU, good look with that, there is more chance of Ukraine falling apart.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 01:06 AM
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cosmonova

dragonridr

Yusomad

ProfessorT
Russia want some form of armed conflict. At the moment they appear to be doing all they can to get Ukraine to react to their provocations including sending government puppets into Ukraine to stir up protests and pockets of disorder. Russia can't afford to 'lose' Ukraine in Vladimir Putin's eyes hence he is dictating Adolf Hitler-like military invasions.
edit on 1-4-2014 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)


You mean like the western powers with svoboda and maidan?
Boy you really throw softballs today, so no invasion yet? Was it n ot last week?
Aw the hitler analogy how appropriate...



The invasion all ready happened i guess they didnt get that on your news stations. See when a country takes troops and goes into another country thats an invasion. So its already happened the only question left is will they go further or not.Im hoping Putin isnt that stupid the isolation of Russia is already starting and even he knows he cant go it alone. See the international community doesnt like it when you go inyo another country and claim their territory. So go troll somewhere else you've wasted enough of our time. Speaking of which back to updates.I was reading how NATO is now supporting Ukraine and apparently troop movements have started.




As Russia warns Ukraine, NATO moves to embrace it

NATO ministers meeting in Brussels Tuesday ordered up plans for beefing up defenses and the Alliance presence in member countries closest to Russia – such as the Baltic states and Poland – that have expressed growing unease over Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

At the same time, they approved a suspension of cooperation with Russia that will affect hundreds of programs, from counterterrorism efforts to civilian air security programs.




Earlier Tuesday Russia left no doubt about its view of closer Ukraine-NATO ties, issuing a statement that largely blamed past Ukrainian flirtations with NATO for the crisis shaking Europe’s post-cold-war order.


Oh and this is interesting it tells us the real reason Putin went into Ukraine instead of the false pretext he made up. At least Russias being honest for once.They finally admitted why the funny part is his invasion caused it to happen. Ukraines going to join the EU and NATO wow talk about a bone head move. Russia had so much influence in Ukraine he could have easily started assistance programs and made Russia look like a hero as they say you catch more flies with honey.



edit on 4/1/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



Oh the irony. Preaching about invasion. Didn't you say somewhere that you took a part in invasion of Iraq?

Ukraine is never going to join NATO
www.cnsnews.com...

In regards to joining EU, good look with that, there is more chance of Ukraine falling apart.


Old news read the article i posted the NATO ministers are making the decisions see your under the impression that the US is running this show well there not. This is entirely the EU and quite frankly they dont care what Obama says as evidenced by there vote. See you may believe the US is in charge of NATO but there not were just one member and the Nato ministers are the ones in charge. They voted to move Ukraine towards NATO membership. See the funniest part of this is everyone wants to blame the US the problem is this is Obama's foreign policy.And Obama even said it his policy is lead from behind. Well the person in the back just follows everyone else. Hes not going to lead he will do whatever the EU decides thats part of the reason were in this mess. We have the wrong president to handle this the worst part is this is probably going to put some war monger into office next.

See theres a liberal elite in control of America and well they dont like the military and they dont believe that the US needs to take charge. The problem is we have been doing it for so long that when we stop people like Putin see an opportunity.Its no coincidence this all occurred Putin knew Obama rant and rave but in the end do nothing. However Europe isnt going to go for that i said way back in the beginning who was taking charge and its Angela Merkel shes running this show. Nothing is happening without her approval. So apparently shes done with trying to negotiate and now they're just taking steps.I dont think Putin counted on her stepping up to the plate.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 01:52 AM
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dragonridr

DJW001

Flatcoat
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No-one denied that there were neo-Nazi groups on Maidan. Now it beginning to appear that the rumors that they were being paid to riot are true. They were being paid by Russia, hence the crackdown.


Right.....so the Russians hired these goons to overthrow their own puppet government and install a pro-western one......makes perfect sense...


No, they hired them to subvert the legitimate protests against their puppet government and provide a pretext to invade to "protect" the "ethnic Russian" population. Have you noticed how quickly the unmarked."self defense forces" formed , got equipped and deployed? The timing of the violence in Maidan escalated to.Putin's time table.

Edit to add: They were also tasked with maintaining disorder in order to discredit the interim government. That is why they are getting put down.
edit on 1-4-2014 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)


Yeah its always bothered me how quickly Russia deployed troops. Look even during exercises it involved moving things by trains unloading at depots. It took them a couple of days just to start these exercises on the border but when it came to Crimea the troops popped out of no where. And thenext day 5000 more troops hit the ground. It definitely looks like it was preplanned.Which means your probably right Putin created the unrest and had the troops waiting. Makes sense use the political instability to take Crimea and possibly considered the rest of Ukraine. Im thinking he might have given up on that part but who knows.


guys!
about the "very fast deployment of unmarked soldiers": maybe it has something to do with the fact that they WERE ALREADY THERE as per agreement with Ukraine (in Crimea bases)

at first I was also surprised how fast they were deployed; we all know that it takes weeks to arrive from base to closest city...



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 02:11 AM
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demus

dragonridr

DJW001

Flatcoat
reply to post by DJW001
 




No-one denied that there were neo-Nazi groups on Maidan. Now it beginning to appear that the rumors that they were being paid to riot are true. They were being paid by Russia, hence the crackdown.


Right.....so the Russians hired these goons to overthrow their own puppet government and install a pro-western one......makes perfect sense...


No, they hired them to subvert the legitimate protests against their puppet government and provide a pretext to invade to "protect" the "ethnic Russian" population. Have you noticed how quickly the unmarked."self defense forces" formed , got equipped and deployed? The timing of the violence in Maidan escalated to.Putin's time table.

Edit to add: They were also tasked with maintaining disorder in order to discredit the interim government. That is why they are getting put down.
edit on 1-4-2014 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)


Yeah its always bothered me how quickly Russia deployed troops. Look even during exercises it involved moving things by trains unloading at depots. It took them a couple of days just to start these exercises on the border but when it came to Crimea the troops popped out of no where. And thenext day 5000 more troops hit the ground. It definitely looks like it was preplanned.Which means your probably right Putin created the unrest and had the troops waiting. Makes sense use the political instability to take Crimea and possibly considered the rest of Ukraine. Im thinking he might have given up on that part but who knows.


guys!
about the "very fast deployment of unmarked soldiers": maybe it has something to do with the fact that they WERE ALREADY THERE as per agreement with Ukraine (in Crimea bases)

at first I was also surprised how fast they were deployed; we all know that it takes weeks to arrive from base to closest city...


Really and they regularly staffed allthose troops there? See the whole entire black sea fleet was 11000 men and thats in two bases and the one in Crimea isnt even the biggest. There was 8000 in Krasnodar Krai meaning there was only 3000 in Crimea and most of them were sailors. See sailors dont drive in armored personnel carriers do they? Within 2 days they already had close to 15000 men in Crimea eventual by the end of the week close to 40000. Hate to tell you but there base isnt that big. Also didnt carry army equipment. Nice try but obviously you're clueless as to the resources that were involved in that massive an operation.The reason they had so many men was Russia has a problem they dont have an effective way to transport tanks its allways been a problem for them thats why they lost in Afghanistan.See Americans learned along time ago how to airlift tanks made all the difference in afghanistan.Russia has never been able to do a massive deployment they dont have the capability they have to do it the old fashioned way trains and trolleys. And when you do that it takes weeks of planning.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 05:02 AM
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ProfessorT
Russia want some form of armed conflict. At the moment they appear to be doing all they can to get Ukraine to react to their provocations including sending government puppets into Ukraine to stir up protests and pockets of disorder. Russia can't afford to 'lose' Ukraine in Vladimir Putin's eyes hence he is dictating Adolf Hitler-like military invasions.
edit on 1-4-2014 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)


you have already lied about "1 million demonstrators" reported by RT, the information you provide is suspicious to say the least.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 05:18 AM
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dragonridr

demus

dragonridr

DJW001

Flatcoat
reply to post by DJW001
 




No-one denied that there were neo-Nazi groups on Maidan. Now it beginning to appear that the rumors that they were being paid to riot are true. They were being paid by Russia, hence the crackdown.


Right.....so the Russians hired these goons to overthrow their own puppet government and install a pro-western one......makes perfect sense...


No, they hired them to subvert the legitimate protests against their puppet government and provide a pretext to invade to "protect" the "ethnic Russian" population. Have you noticed how quickly the unmarked."self defense forces" formed , got equipped and deployed? The timing of the violence in Maidan escalated to.Putin's time table.

Edit to add: They were also tasked with maintaining disorder in order to discredit the interim government. That is why they are getting put down.
edit on 1-4-2014 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)


Yeah its always bothered me how quickly Russia deployed troops. Look even during exercises it involved moving things by trains unloading at depots. It took them a couple of days just to start these exercises on the border but when it came to Crimea the troops popped out of no where. And thenext day 5000 more troops hit the ground. It definitely looks like it was preplanned.Which means your probably right Putin created the unrest and had the troops waiting. Makes sense use the political instability to take Crimea and possibly considered the rest of Ukraine. Im thinking he might have given up on that part but who knows.


guys!
about the "very fast deployment of unmarked soldiers": maybe it has something to do with the fact that they WERE ALREADY THERE as per agreement with Ukraine (in Crimea bases)

at first I was also surprised how fast they were deployed; we all know that it takes weeks to arrive from base to closest city...


Really and they regularly staffed allthose troops there? See the whole entire black sea fleet was 11000 men and thats in two bases and the one in Crimea isnt even the biggest. There was 8000 in Krasnodar Krai meaning there was only 3000 in Crimea and most of them were sailors. See sailors dont drive in armored personnel carriers do they? Within 2 days they already had close to 15000 men in Crimea eventual by the end of the week close to 40000. Hate to tell you but there base isnt that big. Also didnt carry army equipment. Nice try but obviously you're clueless as to the resources that were involved in that massive an operation.The reason they had so many men was Russia has a problem they dont have an effective way to transport tanks its allways been a problem for them thats why they lost in Afghanistan.See Americans learned along time ago how to airlift tanks made all the difference in afghanistan.Russia has never been able to do a massive deployment they dont have the capability they have to do it the old fashioned way trains and trolleys. And when you do that it takes weeks of planning.


what are you trying to say actually?
we all know and acknowledge that there were and still are Russian troops in Crimea and we all know and acknowledge that Russians sent extra troops but still under the maximum number allowed as per agreements with Ukraine.
of course Russians knew what is happening and what is most likely to happen so they acted accordingly; that is in no way proof that Ukrainian Neo - Nazis were sponsored by Russia.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 05:24 AM
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demus

ProfessorT
Russia want some form of armed conflict. At the moment they appear to be doing all they can to get Ukraine to react to their provocations including sending government puppets into Ukraine to stir up protests and pockets of disorder. Russia can't afford to 'lose' Ukraine in Vladimir Putin's eyes hence he is dictating Adolf Hitler-like military invasions.
edit on 1-4-2014 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)


you have already lied about "1 million demonstrators" reported by RT, the information you provide is suspicious to say the least.


The difference between disinformation agents and conspiracy theorists is that CT are able to see actions on both sides of the divide as manipulative, whereas disinformation agents view everything one sided.

Yes of course Russia has been shipping in protesters into Ukraine which isn't really a surprise. But who do you think shipped in the color revolution? That question wasn't directed towards you demus.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 06:23 AM
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Rosinitiate

demus

ProfessorT
Russia want some form of armed conflict. At the moment they appear to be doing all they can to get Ukraine to react to their provocations including sending government puppets into Ukraine to stir up protests and pockets of disorder. Russia can't afford to 'lose' Ukraine in Vladimir Putin's eyes hence he is dictating Adolf Hitler-like military invasions.
edit on 1-4-2014 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)


you have already lied about "1 million demonstrators" reported by RT, the information you provide is suspicious to say the least.


The difference between disinformation agents and conspiracy theorists is that CT are able to see actions on both sides of the divide as manipulative, whereas disinformation agents view everything one sided.

Yes of course Russia has been shipping in protesters into Ukraine which isn't really a surprise. But who do you think shipped in the color revolution? That question wasn't directed towards you demus.


of course governments stage and encourage protests when it fits their interests.

I am referring to the post by "professor" where he said that RT reported "1 million" protesters in Donetsk; I was trying to find the report and I asked for source but got nothing; so I can only assume that he just made it up for whatever reason he has to do it.

thank you for your reply.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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A few updates coming through on Twitter:

NASA have reportedly suspended cooperation with Russia over Ukraine.

The US are reportedly sending a Destoyer to the Black Sea.

A Ukrainian journalist working for Channel 5 was "kidnapped" and released five hours later - allegedly he was filming the Russian military buildup.
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posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 07:04 PM
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ProfessorT
A few updates coming through on Twitter:

NASA have reportedly suspended cooperation with Russia over Ukraine.

The US are reportedly sending a Destoyer to the Black Sea.

A Ukrainian journalist working for Channel 5 was "kidnapped" and released five hours later - allegedly he was filming the Russian military buildup.
edit on 2-4-2014 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)


Maybe this will get NASA up and running again they have been neglecting the Space agency turning it into some kind of good will campaign.




A few weeks earlier, NASA Administrator Charles Bolden and Republican Congressman Mo Brooks had a heated discussion on NASA's 2015 budget and the country's dependence on Russian spacecraft to send its astronauts to the International Space Station.

"Echoing sentiments made by several members of Congress at the hearing, the NASA chief added, 'I do not want to be reliant on the Russians to get my crews to the International Space Station,' " reported MSNBC.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 11:59 PM
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I doubt that anything with NASA has to do with Russia or this specific situation with Ukraine.

The bewildering actions of West over the issue of Crimea actually do not help Western cause.

I see natural gas going east to China, Korea and Japan rather than Europe as the bigger worry.

Rich Russians have money in European banks. West can block that money. However this is an illegal act (blocking money of individuals over actions of a State), and will affect the confidence of a lot of people in the Western banking system. Not sure how can it be good.

The Western system has been preferred by a lot of people due to a feeling of safety. If safety vanishes, than the strongest pillar of the system falls.

This is a fact that empires fall due to arrogance and missteps. I can clearly see that.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 12:02 AM
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Crimea joining Russia is NOT a problem. The reaction to this event is bordering on delusion and madness.

Crimea is a very small place. Many a countries have divided and regions have switched loyalties in the last 25 years. Nobody jumped up and down due to that.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 01:00 AM
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GargIndia
Crimea joining Russia is NOT a problem. The reaction to this event is bordering on delusion and madness.

Crimea is a very small place. Many a countries have divided and regions have switched loyalties in the last 25 years. Nobody jumped up and down due to that.


Because countries should not take troops in to claim territory which is exactly what Putin did this hasnt been done since Hitler. Countries may attack other countries but no one keeps land owned by another country.Mostly because the international court system forbids it. However Russia is breaking the rules which is causing it to be ostracized. Theres relly only two rules dont assinate the leader of a country and dont claim territory owned bt a country. I mean really how hard it that but yet Putins done it twice now first in georgia and now Crimea. So yeah its a big deal we now established a pattern and we see Russia doesnt Play well with others. And just like in any society when someone doesnt play by the rules there is consequences.

Now how is Russia going to get all this gas to China anyway only option would be tankers because they havnt built a gas pipeline to China and this in no way could meet even a part of their needs.First you have to get China to agree to the pipeline by the way they have turned it down several times. Than it takes time to build it in fact they dont have the infrastructure to build it. So they would need to buy the parts internationally from Europe or the US or take the time to build the plants to build the parts. So in other words you would be talking about 5 years if they can buy the parts or a decade if they have to make them. Thays also assuming that no intelligence agency doesnt sabotage it like the CIA did to the soviets. In fact i bet thats a story most people dont know about so here have a look.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 01:03 AM
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ProfessorT
A few updates coming through on Twitter:

NASA have reportedly suspended cooperation with Russia over Ukraine.

The US are reportedly sending a Destoyer to the Black Sea.

A Ukrainian journalist working for Channel 5 was "kidnapped" and released five hours later - allegedly he was filming the Russian military buildup.
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yeah, I also heard that RT reported about 3 million Russians demonstrating asking for federalization of Ukraine...

NOT!



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 01:06 AM
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everything correct, only you forgot to mention the referendum.
citizens of the region that already had some autonomy decided to join Russia.

it is a shady business but it's not like Russia "claimed" or "occupied" a territory.

and you all know that so please stop repeating yourself like parrots.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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In todays significant developments:



The Voice of Russia: 25 Ukrainians,incl 3 "Right Sector" neo-nazi activists, arrested in #Russia on diversion suspicions.




The Voice of Russia: Russia’s defense ministry recalls chief military envoy to NATO for consultations - defense minister deputy.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 12:05 PM
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everything correct, only you forgot to mention the referendum.
citizens of the region that already had some autonomy decided to join Russia.


How many marked the NO box? Oh, wait, there was no 'no' option. Do you consider that to be a fair vote? No-one but Russia does.




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