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I don't see Russian forces entering Eastern Ukraine. The Russian forces on the border, in my opinion, are there as a warning that if the Ukrainians try to take back Crimea, Russia will enter Eastern Ukraine. Call it a feint on the Russian's part; by sending 30,000 troops to the border it prevents the Ukrainians from sending troops into Crimea.

I know there are quite a few folks who are salivating over a potential war in the region but I just don't see it happening.

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+100

Rainbows
Jane

doompornjunkie

angelchemuel
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I think I might be the one that has confused things here. I pointed out that it's New Moon on the 30th, which means, traditionally any military wanting to start something at night will do so over/sometime during a New Moon (read no moon). If all this 'ramping up' has any credence, then I would go with this week end if there is going to be any kind of military offensive on either side.

Just my 2 bob....

Rainbows
Jane

Is there a reason for this besides visibility? If not I'm not positive it would apply so much any more given our imaging tech. It would likely be more advantageous to go in during complete darkness, especially against a lower tech country.

Your right provided the Russians have enough night fighting gear. The US did exactly that with Iraq waited until it was pitch dark and moved in. The Iraqis didn't know what hit them or even where it was coming from. I was special ops at the time and we were in the desert tank spotting they thought they were concealed in tank pits. This only works if your enemy cant spot heat signatures. We would call in Apache gunships on the positions and sit back and watch the fireworks. It was so effective that we had an entire company surrender to a loan Apache.They called us up to take care of the surrender keep in mind we only had two teams was 17 guys total and in 4 hummers we had to go up to 16 tanks to accept surrender so the apache could head back . What worried us is we requested back up immediately because when we got there there was over 6o Iraqis mulling around waiting for us. Never forget the feeling we had going in there knowing we gave up our only protection concealment.

dragonridr

doompornjunkie

angelchemuel
reply to post by Seek_Truth

 

I think I might be the one that has confused things here. I pointed out that it's New Moon on the 30th, which means, traditionally any military wanting to start something at night will do so over/sometime during a New Moon (read no moon). If all this 'ramping up' has any credence, then I would go with this week end if there is going to be any kind of military offensive on either side.

Just my 2 bob....

Rainbows
Jane

Is there a reason for this besides visibility? If not I'm not positive it would apply so much any more given our imaging tech. It would likely be more advantageous to go in during complete darkness, especially against a lower tech country.

Your right provided the Russians have enough night fighting gear. The US did exactly that with Iraq waited until it was pitch dark and moved in. The Iraqis didn't know what hit them or even where it was coming from. I was special ops at the time and we were in the desert tank spotting they thought they were concealed in tank pits. This only works if your enemy cant spot heat signatures. We would call in Apache gunships on the positions and sit back and watch the fireworks. It was so effective that we had an entire company surrender to a loan Apache.They called us up to take care of the surrender keep in mind we only had two teams was 17 guys total and in 4 hummers we had to go up to 16 tanks to accept surrender so the apache could head back . What worried us is we requested back up immediately because when we got there there was over 6o Iraqis mulling around waiting for us. Never forget the feeling we had going in there knowing we gave up our only protection concealment.

awesome story. Found any WMD?

dragonridr

doompornjunkie

angelchemuel
reply to post by Seek_Truth

 

I think I might be the one that has confused things here. I pointed out that it's New Moon on the 30th, which means, traditionally any military wanting to start something at night will do so over/sometime during a New Moon (read no moon). If all this 'ramping up' has any credence, then I would go with this week end if there is going to be any kind of military offensive on either side.

Just my 2 bob....

Rainbows
Jane

Is there a reason for this besides visibility? If not I'm not positive it would apply so much any more given our imaging tech. It would likely be more advantageous to go in during complete darkness, especially against a lower tech country.

Your right provided the Russians have enough night fighting gear. The US did exactly that with Iraq waited until it was pitch dark and moved in. The Iraqis didn't know what hit them or even where it was coming from. I was special ops at the time and we were in the desert tank spotting they thought they were concealed in tank pits. This only works if your enemy cant spot heat signatures. We would call in Apache gunships on the positions and sit back and watch the fireworks. It was so effective that we had an entire company surrender to a loan Apache.They called us up to take care of the surrender keep in mind we only had two teams was 17 guys total and in 4 hummers we had to go up to 16 tanks to accept surrender so the apache could head back . What worried us is we requested back up immediately because when we got there there was over 6o Iraqis mulling around waiting for us. Never forget the feeling we had going in there knowing we gave up our only protection concealment.

Here, let me call BS on this.

Also, keep equating iraq with russia, really displays the level of ignorance, and its hilarious...

cosmonova

dragonridr

doompornjunkie

angelchemuel
reply to post by Seek_Truth

 

I think I might be the one that has confused things here. I pointed out that it's New Moon on the 30th, which means, traditionally any military wanting to start something at night will do so over/sometime during a New Moon (read no moon). If all this 'ramping up' has any credence, then I would go with this week end if there is going to be any kind of military offensive on either side.

Just my 2 bob....

Rainbows
Jane

Is there a reason for this besides visibility? If not I'm not positive it would apply so much any more given our imaging tech. It would likely be more advantageous to go in during complete darkness, especially against a lower tech country.

Your right provided the Russians have enough night fighting gear. The US did exactly that with Iraq waited until it was pitch dark and moved in. The Iraqis didn't know what hit them or even where it was coming from. I was special ops at the time and we were in the desert tank spotting they thought they were concealed in tank pits. This only works if your enemy cant spot heat signatures. We would call in Apache gunships on the positions and sit back and watch the fireworks. It was so effective that we had an entire company surrender to a loan Apache.They called us up to take care of the surrender keep in mind we only had two teams was 17 guys total and in 4 hummers we had to go up to 16 tanks to accept surrender so the apache could head back . What worried us is we requested back up immediately because when we got there there was over 6o Iraqis mulling around waiting for us. Never forget the feeling we had going in there knowing we gave up our only protection concealment.

awesome story. Found any WMD?

As a matter of fact we did right outside camp cooke it was found by some Iraqis and reported to us. We went out secured the scene there were several barrels buried near a warehouse that apparently had something to do with the republican guard. Turned out to be the nerve agent tabun the reason it wasnt widely publicized because there were indications it wasnt made in Iraq but let us just say given to them by a party that doesnt like Iran and no its not the US. Im not going to go into more detail at this time but yeah there was. The rest was shipped to Syria as we see its being used now. Syria didnt make the chemical weapons there using they were originally being hid there and when Saddam fell well it became theirs i guess.It was even reported in the press discoveries of chemical weapons but was quickly hushed up. No one wants dirty laundry displayed so the world can see what they're up to.

dragonridr

cosmonova

dragonridr

doompornjunkie

angelchemuel
reply to post by Seek_Truth

 

I think I might be the one that has confused things here. I pointed out that it's New Moon on the 30th, which means, traditionally any military wanting to start something at night will do so over/sometime during a New Moon (read no moon). If all this 'ramping up' has any credence, then I would go with this week end if there is going to be any kind of military offensive on either side.

Just my 2 bob....

Rainbows
Jane

Is there a reason for this besides visibility? If not I'm not positive it would apply so much any more given our imaging tech. It would likely be more advantageous to go in during complete darkness, especially against a lower tech country.

Your right provided the Russians have enough night fighting gear. The US did exactly that with Iraq waited until it was pitch dark and moved in. The Iraqis didn't know what hit them or even where it was coming from. I was special ops at the time and we were in the desert tank spotting they thought they were concealed in tank pits. This only works if your enemy cant spot heat signatures. We would call in Apache gunships on the positions and sit back and watch the fireworks. It was so effective that we had an entire company surrender to a loan Apache.They called us up to take care of the surrender keep in mind we only had two teams was 17 guys total and in 4 hummers we had to go up to 16 tanks to accept surrender so the apache could head back . What worried us is we requested back up immediately because when we got there there was over 6o Iraqis mulling around waiting for us. Never forget the feeling we had going in there knowing we gave up our only protection concealment.

awesome story. Found any WMD?

As a matter of fact we did right outside camp cooke it was found by some Iraqis and reported to us. We went out secured the scene there were several barrels buried near a warehouse that apparently had something to do with the republican guard. Turned out to be the nerve agent tabun the reason it wasnt widely publicized because there were indications it wasnt made in Iraq but let us just say given to them by a party that doesnt like Iran and no its not the US. Im not going to go into more detail at this time but yeah there was. The rest was shipped to Syria as we see its being used now. Syria didnt make the chemical weapons there using they were originally being hid there and when Saddam fell well it became theirs i guess.It was even reported in the press discoveries of chemical weapons but was quickly hushed up. No one wants dirty laundry displayed so the world can see what they're up to.

Oh look, more BS. Must be a slow day today huh?

And no more asen updates? Considering russia was about to invade europe youd think he would dedicate more time to voice his plight. Or at leats try and display something real by taking pictures with the phone at least.

Yusomad

dragonridr

doompornjunkie

angelchemuel
reply to post by Seek_Truth

 

I think I might be the one that has confused things here. I pointed out that it's New Moon on the 30th, which means, traditionally any military wanting to start something at night will do so over/sometime during a New Moon (read no moon). If all this 'ramping up' has any credence, then I would go with this week end if there is going to be any kind of military offensive on either side.

Just my 2 bob....

Rainbows
Jane

Is there a reason for this besides visibility? If not I'm not positive it would apply so much any more given our imaging tech. It would likely be more advantageous to go in during complete darkness, especially against a lower tech country.

Your right provided the Russians have enough night fighting gear. The US did exactly that with Iraq waited until it was pitch dark and moved in. The Iraqis didn't know what hit them or even where it was coming from. I was special ops at the time and we were in the desert tank spotting they thought they were concealed in tank pits. This only works if your enemy cant spot heat signatures. We would call in Apache gunships on the positions and sit back and watch the fireworks. It was so effective that we had an entire company surrender to a loan Apache.They called us up to take care of the surrender keep in mind we only had two teams was 17 guys total and in 4 hummers we had to go up to 16 tanks to accept surrender so the apache could head back . What worried us is we requested back up immediately because when we got there there was over 6o Iraqis mulling around waiting for us. Never forget the feeling we had going in there knowing we gave up our only protection concealment.

Here, let me call BS on this.

Also, keep equating iraq with russia, really displays the level of ignorance, and its hilarious...

No ones equating anything as you put it i was referring to night fighting and yeas its much easier to attack at night if your opponent has little or no night fighting capabilities like Ukraine.Im guessing english is difficult for you to understand im assuming you speak another language and english is the second language because context is tough. As far as my story believe it or dont like i care anyone who was there can tell you they were surrendering in such mass quantities we couldn't handle it got to the point we gave them MREs and water and told them to start walking. The taking prisoners thing ended real quickly as we became overwhelmed with just the sheer numbers. Now back to the thread if Russia has equipped their soldiers with night gear than they arent going to wait for a full moon thats stupid you attack in the dark as i was pointing out. It disorients your opponent the only thing is im not sure its standard equipment for Russians. I know they have the capability but what im wondering is are they widely dispersed or only special units. In the US military they have night vision for every soldier and can be issued through your company commander. There also expensive lost a pair one time and i caught hell when i came back to the states. I had them written off in a combat zone but they kept trying to take money out my check that was 4 months of fighting an allotment of my pay.

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Oh look, more BS. Must be a slow day today huh? And no more asen updates? Considering russia was about to invade europe youd think he would dedicate more time to voice his plight. Or at leats try and display something real by taking pictures with the phone at least.

Yeah and where are your updates? I haven't seen a single one from you, and lookie, you're in an UPDATE thread. All you have done since you joined ATS (on March 3rd) is offer your pro-Russian opinion in an UPDATE thread. Everyone falls off the wagon here and there, we get it, but you have NEVER been on topic in this thread, and have never done anything but provoke with your pro-Russian ideals. Don't preach updates, guy.

Talk about "BS", you're not the one to talk.

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Yeh english is my 4th language, still can use it better than most english speaking natives. What context? You making war tales up?

Wookiep
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Oh look, more BS. Must be a slow day today huh? And no more asen updates? Considering russia was about to invade europe youd think he would dedicate more time to voice his plight. Or at leats try and display something real by taking pictures with the phone at least.

Yeah and where are your updates? I haven't seen a single one from you, and lookie, you're in an UPDATE thread. All you have done since you joined ATS (on March 3rd) is offer your pro-Russian opinion in an UPDATE thread. Everyone falls off the wagon here and there, we get it, but you have NEVER been on topic in this thread, and have never done anything but provoke with your pro-Russian ideals. Don't preach updates, guy.

Talk about "BS", you're not the one to talk.

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I dont update because I have no claims here, nor live anywhere near there. Do you?
And just because you have not noticed, let me spill it for you,: this thread has gone so far off subject no one really knows what more to "report". You warmongers keep telling us that russia will take eastern europe, yet nothing is happening...

dragonridr
As a matter of fact we did right outside camp cooke it was found by some Iraqis and reported to us. We went out secured the scene there were several barrels buried near a warehouse that apparently had something to do with the republican guard. Turned out to be the nerve agent tabun the reason it wasnt widely publicized because there were indications it wasnt made in Iraq but let us just say given to them by a party that doesnt like Iran and no its not the US. Im not going to go into more detail at this time but yeah there was. The rest was shipped to Syria as we see its being used now. Syria didnt make the chemical weapons there using they were originally being hid there and when Saddam fell well it became theirs i guess.It was even reported in the press discoveries of chemical weapons but was quickly hushed up. No one wants dirty laundry displayed so the world can see what they're up to.

man you talk some bs lately..

The rest was shipped to Syria as we see its being used now. Syria didnt make the chemical weapons there using they were originally being hid there and when Saddam fell

You do realize SARIN has a shelf life?

Sarin degrades after a period of several weeks to several months. The shelf life can be shortened by impurities in precursor materials. According to the CIA, some Iraqi sarin had a shelf life of only a few weeks, owing mostly to impure precursors

en.wikipedia.org...

but, lets just keep up the total nonsense.. you seem to thrive on it.

Agit8dChop

dragonridr
As a matter of fact we did right outside camp cooke it was found by some Iraqis and reported to us. We went out secured the scene there were several barrels buried near a warehouse that apparently had something to do with the republican guard. Turned out to be the nerve agent tabun the reason it wasnt widely publicized because there were indications it wasnt made in Iraq but let us just say given to them by a party that doesnt like Iran and no its not the US. Im not going to go into more detail at this time but yeah there was. The rest was shipped to Syria as we see its being used now. Syria didnt make the chemical weapons there using they were originally being hid there and when Saddam fell well it became theirs i guess.It was even reported in the press discoveries of chemical weapons but was quickly hushed up. No one wants dirty laundry displayed so the world can see what they're up to.

man you talk some bs lately..

The rest was shipped to Syria as we see its being used now. Syria didnt make the chemical weapons there using they were originally being hid there and when Saddam fell

You do realize SARIN has a shelf life?

Sarin degrades after a period of several weeks to several months. The shelf life can be shortened by impurities in precursor materials. According to the CIA, some Iraqi sarin had a shelf life of only a few weeks, owing mostly to impure precursors

en.wikipedia.org...

but, lets just keep up the total nonsense.. you seem to thrive on it. Noone said anything about Sarin other than you. Why did you assume its sarin when i told you what it was we found? As i said believe it or not doesnt matter in the least people have to believe whatever narrative they like we see it in this thread. We have people convinced Russias moving troops i told you its unlikely or we would see Nato moving troops. Russia is playing a game trying to keep Ukraine nervous. But bottom line is pictures of antiquated tanks moving around is not massive troop deployments. Massive troop deployments involve setting up airfields setting up supply areas and so forth, But far be it from me to destroy peoples beliefs if you choose to believe Russia is stupid enough to make a move that the EU is now required by a treaty with ukraine to help. Putin knows this will immediately escalate the conflict beyond a regional dispute and even he doesnt want world war 3.

Oh one more thing your wrong on sarin by the way for weapons grade they simply dont mix it together until used gives it a shelf life of decades. Are you so niave that you think countries make it a couple of weeks before they are going to use it? Never mind the fact its actually fairly complicated to make and requires alot of lab work. We have sarin gas in stockpile the trick is just dont let it start the chemical reaction until we need it to.

dragonridr
It was so effective that we had an entire company surrender to a loan Apache.

Who did you borrow the Apache from?

The troops are to keep Ukrainians out, not to go in. When the IMF terms create more riots, it will all begin again.

Putin isn't going in. No need to.

guys, if you continue with off - topic and sensless arguing it might be better to just lock this and leave it for reading only.

first thing wrong about this topic is it's title.

not even Western propaganda is talking about "declaration of war".

on topic:

Ukraine’s security officials have discussed banning the movement (Right Sector) during an urgent security meeting

During the meeting, Avakov suggested a complete ban of the organization given the radicalization of the Right Sector, the source said. Parubiy was allegedly supportive of the idea of dismantling the neo-Nazi movement and said such a move would allow those present at the meeting to whitewash themselves of having any connections to the radicals, the source said. Tyagnibok reportedly did not take any sides.

I've just been looking around Twitter this morning. There are various tweets, some with the hashtag of '#OSINT' stating that Russia will invade Ukraine at 1600hrs GMT/11 EST today after the MICEX closes in Russia. As I say, these appear to be rumours. I will keep an eye on the hashtag. Open Source Intelligence is suggesting we should watch Russia's markets.

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People have been saying they're about to invade since this whole thing started.

About last nights storming of government building by the far right.....pretty much demonstrates to me Putin just has to sit back and do nada..

Some extracts from the article...

As Its Neonazis Rage, Ukraine's Ousted President Calls For Regional Referendums

While the US and its allies are locked in a war of words which Russia has so far been completely ignoring, things continue to move both literally (along the Russian side of Ukraine's eastern border) and metaphorically. Overnight, ousted President Viktor Yanukovych has called for a national referendum to determine each region's "status within Ukraine". As a reminder, the Kremlin still refuses to accept the current Ukraine government, claiming it got there only after an illegitimate, violent overthrow of Yanukovich. "As a president who is with you with all my thoughts and soul, I urge every sensible citizen of Ukraine: Don't give in to impostors! Demand a referendum on the status of each region within Ukraine."

Keep track of the internal strife as the Right Sector played a prominent role in the Kiev protests - and the clashes with police - which led to the removal of Mr Yanukovych from power. Its main support base is in western Ukraine. Should the government escalate its relations with the "Right Sector" the new government may be overthrown just as fast as its predecessor.

Full article here...
www.zerohedge.com...

Rainbows
Jane

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So the government in Kiyev is not composed of far right neo-Nazis? Is anyone going to admit that they have swallowed a steaming mass of Russian propaganda for weeks now?

Russia Today and Voice of Russia have been spewing out propaganda for ages. Incorrect reporting and rubbish journalists.Video below: