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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 02:38 PM
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asen_y2k

GarrusVasNormandy

asen_y2k
Reuters World:ReutersWorld-Russian military holds exercises in breakaway Moldova region: agency (nolink)rlrDtlyZoi 23 mins ago.


See... This is the kind of alarm bell I didn't want going off...
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Please elaborate, I dont quite understand what you mean.


Moldova is seen as the next possible target for Russian annexation.

NATO generals consider this the most proximal threat to the point of stating things like "the size of Russian forces next to Ukraine's border is strong and extensive enough to cross Ukraine into Moldova and take military action".

Which basically means that if Russia wants to, they can invade southern Ukraine - already plausible - and continue to Moldova, keeping a functional supply route and military operation going.

The fact that they are now doing exercises there, concerns me deeply.




posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 02:42 PM
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News these days moves fast and peoples memories are short because of it. Last I heard Moldovia asked to be annexed next.


After Crimea, This Tiny ‘Republic’ Says: ‘Annex Us Next’



Trans-Dniester, a tiny, self-proclaimed “independent republic” wedged between Moldova and Ukraine, has a hammer and sickle on its flag, a parliament called the Supreme Soviet, a Soviet-sounding national anthem praising “the friendship of peoples,” and about 200,000 Russians out of a total population of 510,000. Following Crimea’s annexation, it also wants to join the Russian Federation.

www.businessweek.com... 0/after-crimea-this-tiny-republic-says-annex-us-next

Granted it's a tiny Republic next to Moldovia but it is still right there.

More:

Moldova's Gagauz region leans toward Moscow While the world watches Crimea, Putin is still planning for the Republic of Moldova to join Russia's customs union. Pressure from Moscow is high - and might be enough to scuttle Moldova's EU Association Agreement.


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posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 03:02 PM
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Catacomb
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For the first time, in a long time, I truly believe we are on the verge of World War Three. If this is indeed true, and Russia has declared war on the Ukraine, invades, and people die by the thousands....it's going to get a lot worse.

Ukraine is the new Poland. Crimea was the Sudetenland.


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Henry Kissinger: "If You Can't Hear the Drums of War You Must Be Deaf"
Henry Kissinger actually publicly stated that those who oppose the New World Order are "terrorists".


www.youtube.com...



By Alfred Heinz

February 15, 2013 "Information Clearing House" - NEW YORK - USA - In a remarkable admission by former Nixon era Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, reveals what is happening at the moment in the world and particularly the Middle East.

Speaking from his luxurious Manhattan apartment, the elder statesman, who will be 89 in May, is all too forward with his analysis of the current situation in the world forum of Geo-politics and economics.

"The United States is baiting China and Russia, and the final nail in the coffin will be Iran, which is, of course, the main target of Israel. We have allowed China to increase their military strength and Russia to recover from Sovietization, to give them a false sense of bravado, this will create an all together faster demise for them. We're like the sharp shooter daring the noob to pick up the gun, and when they try, it's bang bang. The coming war will will be so severe that only one superpower can win, and that's us folks. This is why the EU is in such a hurry to form a complete superstate because they know what is coming, and to survive, Europe will have to be one whole cohesive state. Their urgency tells me that they know full well that the big showdown is upon us. O how I have dreamed of this delightful moment."



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posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 03:04 PM
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News these days moves fast and peoples memories are short because of it. Last I heard Moldovia asked to be annexed next.


Are you referring to my post? Because I started it by saying:


Moldova is seen as the next possible target for Russian annexation.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 03:20 PM
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waltwillis

This article was originally posted at dailysquib.co.uk


Fake as a fake thing, receiving First Class Honours in Fakery from the University of Fakington, Faketown in Fakeland. Been posted many, many times.




© Copyright 2013 dailysquib.co.uk | The Daily Squib is a curious satirical newspaper offering spoof news, political satire, comedy, opinion and celebrity news.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 03:20 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 03:25 PM
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Yup, I saw a difference between the words "targeted" and "asked". Some in Moldovia will claim targeted, some will claim they asked for it. Which one they claim will all come down to their politics.

Amazing to me how simple it is to generate a bias via the media and simple usage of the proper wording. Not saying you were doing that, however the article is doing just that with it's choice of words.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 03:46 PM
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Mamatus
reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy
 


Yup, I saw a difference between the words "targeted" and "asked". Some in Moldovia will claim targeted, some will claim they asked for it. Which one they claim will all come down to their politics.

Amazing to me how simple it is to generate a bias via the media and simple usage of the proper wording. Not saying you were doing that, however the article is doing just that with it's choice of words.


Well, if you are going all mentalist on every single word that people say when they post something, you are in for a treat. My words do not influence the outcome, merely my opinion.

And my opinion is that he is using localized support and sympathy for Russia in certain territories to gain leverage to act on his own, thus my choice of words.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:46 PM
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We should send Uri Geller undercover into Russia and have him gently rub his hands against tanks and jets to disable them.

Another interesting development in the OSCE mission in Ukraine is a statement that has been released by the US mission stating that as Crimea is still a part of Ukraine the OSCE will be travelling to Crimea. However, Sergei Lavrov and the Russian Foreign Ministry were adamant the OSCE mission would not be given access because due to the joke of a ballot Crimea is now being occupied by Russia (illegally).
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posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 07:06 PM
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Whilst having a search on Twitter before bed I came across a Tweet with a link to Andreas Umland's Facebook account. On his Facebook he has posted the following:

Just received this message from a friend in Russia: "I got a whisper from the locals, that russian invasion in East Ukraine from Rostov/Taganrog area is imminent and a matter of few days. Their forces are beyond the point of no return." (He probably meant: "Their forces are beyond the point of return.")
Now, I just thought that this was one of those annoying spam posts trying to stir things up until I searched Mr Umland's full name through the internet and this is what I found...

Andreas Umland - Wikipedia

Andreas Umland (born 1967 in Jena, Germany) is a German political scientist and historian, specializing in contemporary Russian and Ukrainian history. He is a Member of the Institute for Central and East European Studies (ZIMOS) at the Catholic University of Eichstaett-Ingolstadt in Upper Bavaria, a small, yet active research center.[1] He lives in Kyiv, while teaching at the National University of "Kyiv-Mohyla Academy". He is one of the leading German specialists in the history and politics of Ukraine and also of Russia.[citation needed] His studies of Russian and Ukrainian politics focus on the post-Soviet extreme right. Since 2005, he has also been involved in the creation of a new Master's program in German and European Studies administered jointly by Kyiv-Mohyla Academy and Jena University.[2]
He also seems to write articles for KyivPost on an almost monthly basis.

Obviously this could be complete and utter disinformation but this gentleman appears to have all the right credentials to be in the know.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 07:19 PM
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You got to love Uri Geller...the Israeli WMD.....Mods...I have had a little drinkypoo....and this just tickled my funny bone OK?...no probably not....got to be sensible and sober, sorry...I'll go make myself a coffee....

Rainbows
Jane



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 07:23 PM
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asen_y2k
Ukrainian drone has been shot down over Transnistria, Moldova.

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Here is an English language version from the AP, sourced from Al Jazeera Live:


Authorities in a pro-Russian separatist region of Moldova claim to have brought down a Ukrainian drone on a reconnaissance mission.

According to NovostiPMR, the news agency of Trans-Dniester, the drone was "launched from Ukrainian territory by people close to the Ukrainian Security Service and the Defense Ministry."

It said the plane illegally crossed into Trans-Dniester violating its air space. It added that the authorities in the region reserved the right to use "all available methods" to defend the territory which is not internationally recognized but is supported by Russia.

The agency said the region's intelligence agency downed the drone on March 23.

The region broke away from Moldova in 1990, and according to the Associated Press news agency there are 1,500 Russian troops stationed there guarding hundreds of tons of weapons. [Associated Press]

by Faisal Edroos 7:35 PM
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Just wanted to give you another source for that, and an English version of the story for those who may be interested.

Stay safe, Asen



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 10:57 PM
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An invasion does not make sense at this time.

The Ukraine remains in chaos and this situation is not good for Russia. But the objectives must be understood.

There is a lot of disinformation coming from various Western sources. The best is to avoid rumors.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 11:05 PM
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Somehow I think that quote is fake as I find it hard to believe Kissinger goes around calling other nations noobs but I did get a good laugh from the quote so thank you. Sometimes its hard to distinguish parody from real warmongering but in this case I'm pretty sure its someone doing a failed Kissinger parody.
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posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:31 AM
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john452
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Somehow I think that quote is fake as I find it hard to believe Kissinger goes around calling other nations noobs but I did get a good laugh from the quote so thank you. Sometimes its hard to distinguish parody from real warmongering but in this case I'm pretty sure its someone doing a failed Kissinger parody.
edit on 25-3-2014 by john452 because: (no reason given)


It is its from a political satire web site. Most people just dont know what satire is so he is constantly brought up like the person thinks they have some great insight.When in truth they never bothered to look at the source if your familiar with a mad magazine they do the same thing they make up interviews with famous people its supposed to make you laugh or point out how evil they are. Im sure the satirical interviews with Putins coming.I can see it now Mr Putin why did you decide to go into Crimea? Well in truth i needed a new summer home see the Ukrainians just wanted way to much money for a descent area. And also this helps me avoid sales taxes when you just sort of take it. But now comes my biggest problem what to do with all the Crimean i mean would you really want to bing guests over with them around? Hmmm maybe i can move them into labor camps kill two birds with one stone. So mister Putin what do you think of the sanctions ? Well i keep most of my assets in several dummy corporations so doesnt effect me really.Its going to hurt the Russian people but i mean really there used to being poor not really a change for them.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:47 AM
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GarrusVasNormandy

demus

so you're trying to say Yanukovich was considering loans and membership in NATO?


He was not only considering it, he was going for it. That's why I've the opinion that both sides are to blame in this.

There were two parts to this situation. Pre-revolution (in Ukraine) and post-revolution.

The pre-revolution situation was pretty stable, Ukraine had been for years negotiation it's membership in the EU and the possibility of joining NATO. Neither subject is connected, but they usually walk hand-in-hand with each-other.

Everything was going pro-EU in Ukraine, until certain movements started to point out severe problems in joining EU, like for instance, what has been happening to countries in the EU who needed financial assistance. Questions regarding the future state of Ukraine were raised, as to what would happen when such financial aid would arrive. Would Ukraine be, for decades, in debt with the EU or/and IMF? People started to question if that was really the best path.

Until that moment, Yanukovich followed all the right steps, and until that moment, Yanukovich was seen as a good leader for not going alone in his decision, and allowing the people to express itself.

The turning point was when Russia offered an alternative. They seized the opportunity of doubt regarding the EU membership of Ukraine, to instill discussion, and they did that by simply saying "we will give you billions, with little to no interest rates".

That was when it all cracked. Some people believe it was plotted by Putin, others believe that the Western influence pushed for the EU membership process. When doubt and division started to appear in Ukraine's society, some people took advantage of it.

Now, we can all discuss who and what did when, but let's be honest about something.:Yanukovich might be everything bad he is accused of being, but he did all the plays by the book.

In any country, if protests get out of control, police forces are brought in, and if there are enough agitators inside the protesting groups, things will get out of control and governments will always be in the position of taking defensive measures.

A revolt either has 100% population support and unity, or it's going to fail. Why? Because of cases like Syria. Just a percentage of population is enough to consider any revolt invalid, and the people who do not agree with it have all the right to ask for protection. This debate is simply to extensive to be argued around in a forum. At least, without making multiple-paged posts.

Who instigated the severe protests in Ukraine, why they did it... we will only know that 10 or 20 years from now. And if there is an escalation in conflict, and if there is something like a World War, then we will only truly find out 30 or 40 years from now... If ever. Let's not forget that History is written by the winning side, not by truth itself.


I agree with everything but didn't Yanukovich refused EU agreement?
and then bad things started?

I know he was choosing sides before "the revolution" but the "coup imposed government" are the ones who changed back to talks with EU/West.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 06:13 AM
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Ukraine seeks joint US war exercises after Crimea takeover

Ukraine's acting president asked parliamentary approval on Wednesday for a set of military exercises with NATO partners that would put US troops in direct proximity with Russia's forces in the annexed Crimea peninsula.

Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov said Ukraine would like to conduct two sets of military exercises with the United Sates this summer - Rapid Trident and Sea Breeze - that have prompted disquiet in Russia in previous years.

Ukraine is planning two additional manuevers with NATO member Poland as well joint ground operations with Moldova and Romania.

by Ismaeel Naar 6:59 AM ↑ 0


Al Jazeera Live Blog

Looking for other sources for this. If this is true, I'm not so sure that's a good idea, never poke a bear without being prepared for the expected reaction.

The other thing that struck me about this is that Ukraine is asking for the US portion of the exercises to take place this summer. Now, if you are bracing for Russia to take further actions (read: invade further) within days, why ask for this to take place in the summer? This statement does not make sense to me. I am not a military minded person, obviously, and I ask this in all honesty (not snarky), are there any military minds out there that can explain this to me? Much appreciated.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 06:33 AM
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MyMindIsMyOwn

Ukraine seeks joint US war exercises after Crimea takeover

Ukraine's acting president asked parliamentary approval on Wednesday for a set of military exercises with NATO partners that would put US troops in direct proximity with Russia's forces in the annexed Crimea peninsula.

Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov said Ukraine would like to conduct two sets of military exercises with the United Sates this summer - Rapid Trident and Sea Breeze - that have prompted disquiet in Russia in previous years.

Ukraine is planning two additional manuevers with NATO member Poland as well joint ground operations with Moldova and Romania.

by Ismaeel Naar 6:59 AM ↑ 0


Al Jazeera Live Blog

Looking for other sources for this. If this is true, I'm not so sure that's a good idea, never poke a bear without being prepared for the expected reaction.

The other thing that struck me about this is that Ukraine is asking for the US portion of the exercises to take place this summer. Now, if you are bracing for Russia to take further actions (read: invade further) within days, why ask for this to take place in the summer? This statement does not make sense to me. I am not a military minded person, obviously, and I ask this in all honesty (not snarky), are there any military minds out there that can explain this to me? Much appreciated.


let's say US agrees to do it in summer and Russia move into Eastern Ukraine, wouldn't that make US more likely to react?
edit on 26-3-2014 by demus because: decyphering announcments



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 06:52 AM
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Russia accused Ukrainian officials on Wednesday of barring Russian commercial airline crews from going outside their planes in Ukrainian airports. Ukraine denied the allegation.

Tensions between Moscow and Kyiv have been rising since Russian forces occupied the Crimean Peninsula and stayed there throughout the referendum earlier this month where votes overwhelmingly supported Russia's annexation.



Crimea crisis: Ukraine bars crews from leaving aircraft, Russia says Source



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 06:55 AM
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demus
let's say US agrees to do it in summer and Russia move into Eastern Ukraine, wouldn't that make US more likely to react?
edit on 26-3-2014 by demus because: decyphering announcments


Absolutely, it would force the US' hand in that IF Russia decides to hold off on going further into Ukraine. But the timing is what I am questioning here. If Ukraine is jumping up and down, yelling that they fear Russia will be invading within days, why set up the military exercise for summer?

I suppose what I am trying to say is that it almost seems that if they fear Russian invasion into eastern Ukraine happening very soon, they've already conceeded Eastern Ukraine to Russia and are setting up for what Ukraine would become IF..and I mean IF... the eastern part of the country goes under Russian control.

Does any of that make any sense? It's a working theory, so I'm still trying to sort it out in my own head and therefore I fully realize that I may not be presenting it clearly to the rest of you.



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