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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 08:06 PM
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special forces have always been heavily involved in training and arming local populations to aid in their short term goals, even with the green berets there are well documented cases of it. Special forces aren't just bad ass run and gun mofos', they do more than a fair share of intel work as well. They "liberate the oppressed". We have spec ops on the ground there as well, i hope we do at least.




posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 09:01 PM
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Crimea's "Deputy Prime Minister" has let slip what we have been saying for some time now, and that is the next stage Eastern Ukraine.



During an interview with NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel, Crimea's Deputy Prime Minister called Sunday's referendum "the first step."

"It's the first step. I really think so," the deputy prime minister, Rustam Temirgaliev, said. "I think the second step will be eastern Ukraine."

www.nbcnews.com...



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 09:34 PM
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got a real bad feeling all that will not stop with Crimea ....
www.liveleak.com...

each side are going away each day...



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 11:23 PM
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Don't think that Dispatch 11 of VICE news's Ukraine coverage has been posted.




Russian commandos stormed the Moskva Hotel in Simferopol, and nobody really knows why. It was the eve of the referendum and the hotel is where many of the international journalists covering the situation in Crimea are staying. VICE News correspondent Simon Ostrovsky tries to figure out if the troops were sent on a manhunt, or on a mission to intimidate members of the press



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 11:39 PM
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Photo op
nothing more
special forces don't often knock politely and enter through the front door
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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 11:54 PM
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all2human
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Photo op
nothing more
special forces don't often come through the front door
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Really and why would you say that depends on the objective and what it is. Lrt me tell you spec ops doesnt crash through windows like the movies ok.In most situations when we entered a building its through the door. Real world isnt isnt a movie you secure the ground floor and work your way up. They did the same thing to Ossama close off escape routes keep funneling everything to the top it was taught as standard procedure.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 12:02 AM
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Did you notice the 60 or so photographers who just happened to be assembled and ready when they walked through the door?
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posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 12:15 AM
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all2human
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Did you notice the 60 or so photographers who just happened to be ready when they walked through the door, gimme a break

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Do you think you can walk into the hotel where journalists are staying and there wouldnt be cameras around? Id say word spread through the entire building the minute they hit the front door. Same thing happened at the hotel in Bagdad.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 12:19 AM
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That's right ,I forgot, journalist always stand shoulder to shoulder, camera ready at all hours of the day.
lol
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posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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This nightmare will only end when the Russian people themselves rid themselves of that tyrant Putin. I have Russian friends who are just as upset by all this.

This is so reminiscent of Hitler marching into the Sudetenland and then taking over the rest of Czechoslovakia. Putin is a Nazi and his followers are fascist thugs.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 02:48 AM
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Here is an article that gives a whole different perspective to this drama in Ukraine. I had not thought of how much this could affect the world, notably regions in Asia.

I'm not sure what I think about it TBH. I tend to stick with the kind of policy Ron Paul has on not playing world police etc. The lack of intervention here could have a lasting impact on the world though, mainly because the U.S. is showing it's weakness to uphold treaties etc. I'm torn, but at least Ron Paul would go through congress first concerning any U.S. intervention, regardless of his personal feelings on the matter.

Anyway check this out -


Could Ukraine Drive Nuclear Proliferation in Asia?

Personally, I don't think NATO would be necessarily imposing a nuclear WWIII by maintaining a defensive posture in the region. If for example, NATO sent troops into eastern Ukraine as a defensive force, only to not allow Putin to advance further out of Crimea. It would be Putin's move and if WWIII kicked off, it would be 100% on his shoulders. The world stage would know he provoked WWIII by advancing on NATO forces. (which, ultimately IMO would deter him from advancing further) Just my opinion.
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posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:08 AM
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sy.gunson
This nightmare will only end when the Russian people themselves rid themselves of that tyrant Putin. I have Russian friends who are just as upset by all this.

This is so reminiscent of Hitler marching into the Sudetenland and then taking over the rest of Czechoslovakia. Putin is a Nazi and his followers are fascist thugs.


Just a heads up: the fascists are aligned with the western powers, nothing to do with russia-putin, just so you know.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:15 AM
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Yusomad

sy.gunson
This nightmare will only end when the Russian people themselves rid themselves of that tyrant Putin. I have Russian friends who are just as upset by all this.

This is so reminiscent of Hitler marching into the Sudetenland and then taking over the rest of Czechoslovakia. Putin is a Nazi and his followers are fascist thugs.


Just a heads up: the fascists are aligned with the western powers, nothing to do with russia-putin, just so you know.


So in your own words:

How would you describe Putin?

His Role in the crisis?

Use as many words as you like.

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posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:20 AM
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rigel4

Yusomad

sy.gunson
This nightmare will only end when the Russian people themselves rid themselves of that tyrant Putin. I have Russian friends who are just as upset by all this.

This is so reminiscent of Hitler marching into the Sudetenland and then taking over the rest of Czechoslovakia. Putin is a Nazi and his followers are fascist thugs.


Just a heads up: the fascists are aligned with the western powers, nothing to do with russia-putin, just so you know.


So in your own words:

How would you describe Putin?

His Role in the crisis?

Use as many words as you like.

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Why would I do that? You pro westerners do it perfectly fine, I dont mind you thinking he is evil, could not care less. What ticks me off is the hipocresy in you lot, acting as if none of us was watching the news the last 2 weeks, as after the non EU pact things started going downhill. You can try and smear it all you like, fact remains, the western powers screwed up good here, and its showing. You may not like the ballot results, but they are cleaner than any US election since JFK.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:50 AM
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Lol so what do you want west to do ? Sit at home and Munch on cookies ? You know what's coming right ? Eastern ukraine . So going by your posts it seems as if you WANT Russia to invade further. If everyone in international community stay out will russia just go back ? Lol wat a joke !



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:52 AM
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Personally, I don't think NATO would be necessarily imposing a nuclear WWIII by maintaining a defensive posture in the region. If for example, NATO sent troops into eastern Ukraine as a defensive force, only to not allow Putin to advance further out of Crimea. It would be Putin's move and if WWIII kicked off, it would be 100% on his shoulders. The world stage would know he provoked WWIII by advancing on NATO forces. (which, ultimately IMO would deter him from advancing further) Just my opinion.



Well, except that for NATO to be in position, they would have invaded a sovereign nation, Ukraine.

You may say, well the illegitimate Government in Kiev asked them to, too which I would reply, well the legitimate Government in Crimea asked the Russians in and besides, the previous Government in Kiev, that is the ones voted in by the people as opposed to the thugs in at the moment, have a treaty with Russia that allows Russian Troops in Ukraine.

You see, this gets messy very quickly.

The basic point here is that Crimea is not answerable to Kiev because Thugs usurped the duly elected Government just a few months before elections. The only elected Government anywhere in Ukraine is the Crimean Parliment.

Messy isn't it?

P



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 04:10 AM
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I do agree it's messy, but I disagree when it comes to mainland Ukraine, and for several reasons.

If NATO were to take a defensive posture in Ukraine (proper), it would not be an attempt by NATO to take over (invade) Ukraine, let alone by asking for the country to vote on whether Ukraine now become a part of Europe. It would be a fulfillment of a treaty signed by both parties in 1994 to protect against outside forces in exchange for their nukes. Remember, Ukraine proper is NOT Russia, it was not Russia before or after the Kiev protests. It was a part of Russia in the 50's, but it is not now, it is totally independent of Russia ie it's OWN nation.

Your beef is with the west's view of Crimea, but we are no longer talking about Crimea. NATO entering Ukraine as a defensive force in no way compares to Russia's actions in Crimea. Nor would NATO's mission be to take back Crimea for Ukraine. What I'm talking about is solely a defensive force to stop Putin from advancing further into the mainland.

There will undoubtedly be eternal arguments concerning Crimea, but I think most agree it now belongs to Russia. Even though the west does not recognize this, there will be no invasion of Crimea by NATO or anyone else. However, if the west does not respond to Russia on any future advances by Putin into Ukraine mainland then we have a whole different set of problems. (see article I posted in the post you responded to)

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posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 04:32 AM
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Wookiep
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I do agree it's messy, but I disagree when it comes to mainland Ukraine, and for several reasons.

If NATO were to take a defensive posture in Ukraine (proper), it would not be an attempt by NATO to take over (invade) Ukraine, let alone by asking for the country to vote on whether Ukraine now become a part of Europe. It would be a fulfillment of a treaty signed by both parties in 1994 to protect against outside forces in exchange for their nukes. Remember, Ukraine proper is NOT Russia, it was not Russia before or after the Kiev protests. It was a part of Russia in the 50's, but it is not now, it is totally independent of Russia ie it's OWN nation.

Your beef is with the west's view of Crimea, but we are no longer talking about Crimea. NATO entering Ukraine as a defensive force in no way compares to Russia's actions in Crimea. Nor would NATO's mission be to take back Crimea for Ukraine. What I'm talking about is solely a defensive force to stop Putin from advancing further into the mainland.

There will undoubtedly be eternal arguments concerning Crimea, but I think most agree it now belongs to Russia. Even though the west does not recognize this, there will be no invasion of Crimea by NATO or anyone else. However, if the west does not respond to Russia on any future advances by Putin into Ukraine mainland then we have a whole different set of problems. (see article I posted in the post you responded to)

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and then it would be a matter of who fired first so we have a bad guy to blame....nothing good can come of NATO getting involved at this point



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 04:38 AM
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They put something in the building so they could listen and learn.

I love the way Russia is playing this.. for the camera's.. they know they've scored Crimea in a relatively bloodless coup!

I support Russia taking back Crimea, I hope this is where it ends.
I hope Russia dig in a border line, the Ukraine moves closer to it and it becomes a diplomatic border.. and all this WW3 nonsense is put to rest.

Ukraine wont be dumb enough to throw a punch.. they'll get hammered back and might lose another town or two!.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 04:38 AM
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@Phoenix .. U totally seem to have missed the point. First Ukraine has a treaty allowing Russian troops only in crimean black sea fleet and not all of Ukraine.
Secondly: As bad as it is , we agree crimea is russisn by now . The point is russia has a lot of further ambitions namely eastern Ukraine and recent incursions and comments suggest they are moving forward it it. Certainly Russia has no right to have troops there right ? Lol . And that is where NATO defensive posturing comes to play . I don't see what's so difficult in understanding that.



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