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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 03:00 PM
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edit on 16-3-2014 by all2human because: (no reason given)




posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 03:07 PM
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www.thedailybeast.com...

Russia's Special Ops Invasion of Ukraine Has Begun

Putin appears to be using elite commandos—Spetsnaz—to spearhead his stealth move into Crimea and, perhaps, beyond.



Forget the military forces massed on the border and brief incursions into Ukrainian territory and airspace. Russia is invading Ukraine in the shadows. The same special operations forces that appear to be rigging the election in Crimea are quietly escalating tensions inside other parts of eastern Ukraine. This week the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) arrested a group of people led by a Ukrainian citizen who were said to be scoping out three of its most crucial military divisions in the southern Ukrainian city of Kherson. In Donetsk in eastern Ukraine, press reports from the ground say that Russian provocateurs have attacked Ukrainians who organized anti-Russian street protests. The forces behind these operations, according to U.S. officials briefed on the updates in Ukraine, are likely the Spetsnaz, the Russian military’s highly trained saboteurs, spies and special operations forces who may change the face—and the borders—of Ukraine without once showing the Russian flag on their uniforms. Or, for that matter, without wearing any particular uniforms at all.




In 1979 the Soviet Union was able to take over Afghanistan with less than 700 Spetsnaz soldiers. These same operatives are now spreading out over Ukraine, according to U.S. officials who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity. One of these officials stressed that while U.S. intelligence assesses there are more Spetsnaz forces surging into Ukraine, there is no reliable number on how many are inside the country and ultimately whether their presence is a prelude to a more formal invasion. On March 5, Jane's Defense Weekly ran an analysis of Russian troop movements near Ukraine and noted similarities with the USSR's special operations campaign in 1979 before the full invasion of the country. "A significant indicator of Russia's next steps would be the arrival in Crimea of personnel from Moscow's GCHQ-NSA equivalent organization, previously titled the Federal Agency of Government Communications and Information (FAPSI), to carry forward the situation," Jane's wrote. In the last seven weeks, two recordings of high profile telephone conversations featuring European Union and U.S. officials have mysteriously surfaced on the Internet, suggesting Russia's technical intelligence services have been active during the Ukraine crisis


Will America send the Rangers and Seals in? With the vote now in and the Kerry ultimatum for Monday...we could have a bad week coming.

The world needs a peacemaker. Someone to intervene and stop this madness. Obama and Putin need to stop the macho man crap and come to the table and make a deal.

NO MORE WARS
WAR IS HELL
PEACE IS THE ONLY WAY!



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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The thing is, John Kerry and Sergei Lavrov have spoken numerous times for hours on end, sometimes 3 or 4 times a day and they haven't come to any sort of mutual agreement yet. It's clear that Russia does not want to sort this out diplomatically and Lavrov knows this because of the directives he has been given by Vladimir Putin - rendering any discussions with the international community essentially pointless.

It is important that we remember Russia invaded Crimea on ridiculous pretext that has and still is being fabricated. They had no rights, certainly not in international law or even via human rights to intervene.

Ukraine SHOULD request help from NATO which they can do so at anytime.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 04:13 PM
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There are reports of Russian Spetznaz operating in Ukraine.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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Kremlin mouthpiece Kiselev threatens U.S with nuclear weapons


Adds that Russia can turn US into a radioactive wasteland.

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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 04:23 PM
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As Crimea becomes part of Russia, Putin now states:

Russian President Vladimir Putin: Ukrainian authorities show a lack of willingness to curb violence against Russian speakers in Ukraine

www.breakingnews.com...

"Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin drew attention to the inability and unwillingness of the present authorities in Kiev to curb rampant violence by ultra-nationalist and radical groups that destabilise the situation and terrorise civilians, including Russian speaking population," the Kremlin said.

www.ubs.wallst.com...



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 04:28 PM
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The same here

slon.ru...



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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You know what...I may just make him a personal mission.

The big guy.

# 216



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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Fingle
As Crimea becomes part of Russia, Putin now states:

Russian President Vladimir Putin: Ukrainian authorities show a lack of willingness to curb violence against Russian speakers in Ukraine

www.breakingnews.com...

"Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin drew attention to the inability and unwillingness of the present authorities in Kiev to curb rampant violence by ultra-nationalist and radical groups that destabilise the situation and terrorise civilians, including Russian speaking population," the Kremlin said.

www.ubs.wallst.com...


Its very clear, whats comming.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 04:41 PM
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People living on the outskirts of Lugansk block the movement of Ukrainian military equipment to the Russian border.




posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 04:53 PM
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asen_y2k

Dolby_X
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so what you think will happen now ? more ruskie troop on Ukraine mainland ?


I am 70% sure Russia will enter eastern Ukraine. Not looking good at all. I will be directly affected by it if the gaslines are blown up. My heating is totally dependent on gas, no way to use electric heating, as the electric circuits in my house is very old and cannot handle more than 1500 watts.


Most of the power generating stations are gas fired as well, the remainder are fuel oil. Atomic power is fractional at best. Without the pipeline, and an already scarce amount of crude stocks in the country, you can expect power outages to follow any disruption in the pipeline.

If sanctions go into effect tomorrow, blowing up the pipelines will be moot, as the flow will have to be cut off to have any retaliatory effect. Either way, stay warm if you can, and brace for it.

AX
FTNWO



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 05:40 PM
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Fingle
As Crimea becomes part of Russia, Putin now states:

Russian President Vladimir Putin: Ukrainian authorities show a lack of willingness to curb violence against Russian speakers in Ukraine

www.breakingnews.com...

"Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin drew attention to the inability and unwillingness of the present authorities in Kiev to curb rampant violence by ultra-nationalist and radical groups that destabilise the situation and terrorise civilians, including Russian speaking population," the Kremlin said.

www.ubs.wallst.com...



Thing is, there is no evidence or russian speakers getting attacked. there is so much lies and crap being spewed by Russia and Russia Today news network that it is not funny. Putin is actually beleiving the lies he is spewing.

Everything about the invasionof Crimea is illegal.

Scary thing is, Hitler did the very same thing prior to WW2.

He annexed Sudentland, then held a refferendum illegally the week after to "legitimize" the move.

He then moved onto Austria, threatening its governments with violence before annexing Austria and again holding rigged referendums.

He moved onto Czechoslakia and did the same thing here.

It was at this point that POland raised concerns to England for its security.

England promised to protect Poland security, and when Hitler invaded Poland the world then intervened.

Ukraines territorial integrity was promised in 1994 and again in 1997.

Do we have to wait until Putin invades Poland before the World makes a stand?

It is clear that Putin has lost his marbles and is preparing for a wider conflict, South Caucauses next, then the Baltic states and possibly Kazakstan.

While Obama sits back and lets others do his talking for him.

Situations like these are when real leaders step up to the plate. Obama has not shown any promise of that or any testicles to go talk directly to Putin.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 05:49 PM
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asen_y2k
Ukrainian Radical leader Yarosh threatens to blow up pipelines carrying gas to Europe via Ukraine from Russia, if Russia enters eastern Ukraine.
edit on 16/3/14 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)



Here is a very cheap way to heat your house should Russia shut your gas of or some lunatic blows it up

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Stay safe



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 05:49 PM
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Melbourne_Militia

Fingle
As Crimea becomes part of Russia, Putin now states:

Russian President Vladimir Putin: Ukrainian authorities show a lack of willingness to curb violence against Russian speakers in Ukraine

www.breakingnews.com...

"Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin drew attention to the inability and unwillingness of the present authorities in Kiev to curb rampant violence by ultra-nationalist and radical groups that destabilise the situation and terrorise civilians, including Russian speaking population," the Kremlin said.

www.ubs.wallst.com...



Thing is, there is no evidence or russian speakers getting attacked. there is so much lies and crap being spewed by Russia and Russia Today news network that it is not funny. Putin is actually beleiving the lies he is spewing.

Everything about the invasionof Crimea is illegal.

Scary thing is, Hitler did the very same thing prior to WW2.

He annexed Sudentland, then held a refferendum illegally the week after to "legitimize" the move.

He then moved onto Austria, threatening its governments with violence before annexing Austria and again holding rigged referendums.

He moved onto Czechoslakia and did the same thing here.

It was at this point that POland raised concerns to England for its security.

England promised to protect Poland security, and when Hitler invaded Poland the world then intervened.

Ukraines territorial integrity was promised in 1994 and again in 1997.

Do we have to wait until Putin invades Poland before the World makes a stand?

It is clear that Putin has lost his marbles and is preparing for a wider conflict, South Caucauses next, then the Baltic states and possibly Kazakstan.

While Obama sits back and lets others do his talking for him.

Situations like these are when real leaders step up to the plate. Obama has not shown any promise of that or any testicles to go talk directly to Putin.


It has become clear that hitler =/= putin, and that portraying him as such does not help your cause at all. Now, why is it theft when say, the crimeans take a referendum regarding their own status, its wrong on so many levels it beggars belief, but when USofA and NATO go into other states after the turmoil they have created(just like in ukraine) to "spread democracy", its not only not theft, but the fact that the states they ravage get no democracy nor "freedom", is not even a small issue? And not without its own manner of issues, case in point click



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 06:07 PM
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Yusomad

Melbourne_Militia

Fingle
As Crimea becomes part of Russia, Putin now states:

Russian President Vladimir Putin: Ukrainian authorities show a lack of willingness to curb violence against Russian speakers in Ukraine

www.breakingnews.com...

"Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin drew attention to the inability and unwillingness of the present authorities in Kiev to curb rampant violence by ultra-nationalist and radical groups that destabilise the situation and terrorise civilians, including Russian speaking population," the Kremlin said.

www.ubs.wallst.com...



Thing is, there is no evidence or russian speakers getting attacked. there is so much lies and crap being spewed by Russia and Russia Today news network that it is not funny. Putin is actually beleiving the lies he is spewing.

Everything about the invasionof Crimea is illegal.

Scary thing is, Hitler did the very same thing prior to WW2.

He annexed Sudentland, then held a refferendum illegally the week after to "legitimize" the move.

He then moved onto Austria, threatening its governments with violence before annexing Austria and again holding rigged referendums.

He moved onto Czechoslakia and did the same thing here.

It was at this point that POland raised concerns to England for its security.

England promised to protect Poland security, and when Hitler invaded Poland the world then intervened.

Ukraines territorial integrity was promised in 1994 and again in 1997.

Do we have to wait until Putin invades Poland before the World makes a stand?

It is clear that Putin has lost his marbles and is preparing for a wider conflict, South Caucauses next, then the Baltic states and possibly Kazakstan.

While Obama sits back and lets others do his talking for him.

Situations like these are when real leaders step up to the plate. Obama has not shown any promise of that or any testicles to go talk directly to Putin.


It has become clear that hitler =/= putin, and that portraying him as such does not help your cause at all. Now, why is it theft when say, the crimeans take a referendum regarding their own status, its wrong on so many levels it beggars belief, but when USofA and NATO go into other states after the turmoil they have created(just like in ukraine) to "spread democracy", its not only not theft, but the fact that the states they ravage get no democracy nor "freedom", is not even a small issue? And not without its own manner of issues, case in point click



The fact is Hilter did the same, you can't get away from that fact... No matter how much you want to tar Ukraine as Iraq...

The fact is also.. just because a country has expats living aboard in a foreign country, you cannot just invade a country by force and claim it to be your own land and hold elections under occupation

This is what kicked off WWII for Christ sakes... and after WWII ended the laws which apply here in Ukraine, are once more being ignored

It's your party and the world is watching, history will judge you

We heard the same old BS in 1939 and the world let it just happen because of fears about there economy's

edit on 16-3-2014 by TritonTaranis because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 06:09 PM
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More talk from the White House of sanctions being announced in "days".


President Obama's senior adviser said Sunday's referendum vote in Ukraine's Crimea region on whether to join Russia is illegal and that sanctions against Russia will be announced "in the coming days."



Pfeiffer also said the White House is closely watching Russian President Vladimir Putin's moves in eastern Ukraine, as some have suggested Russia is looking at a possible invasion there.

"We're looking at all ways of assistance," Pfeiffer said, though he dodged a specific question about offering military aid. "Everything the Russians have done this far is in violation of international law.



Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., who recently returned with a congressional delegation from Ukraine, said sanctions must come fast to blunt the potential for such an invasion.

"We've got to move in hard now with sanctions regardless of whether they move tomorrow, or the next week or hold back," Flake said on "Meet the Press."


Source

We shall see...



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 06:21 PM
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I believe this is one of the reasons the Russian troops were sent to a gas facility yesterday. To protect it against threats such as these.
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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 06:38 PM
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I would encourage you to enrich yourself with whats going on in the world. Ukraine has nothing to do with iraq, aside the fact that western powers decided that they knew better and went in. Look at the arab spring, stirling job you must think?

Its not my party, it never was, its not a "peoples" party, its a party for haves, the rest just get to go along somewhat.
And as said, stop equating the crimea referendum to 1939, its not helping you.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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I thought the US was going to hit with a rash of sanctions on Monday ? Wonder what changed that .



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 07:29 PM
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Willtell
www.thedailybeast.com...

Russia's Special Ops Invasion of Ukraine Has Begun

Putin appears to be using elite commandos—Spetsnaz—to spearhead his stealth move into Crimea and, perhaps, beyond.


Will America send the Rangers and Seals in? With the vote now in and the Kerry ultimatum for Monday...we could have a bad week coming.


The US has already sent in unflagged PMCs (private military contractors) as a likely counter against Russian special forces. This was done at the request on the Ukrainian government and there are already a few threads about it.

Many PMCs are pulled from the rank of US and allied special forces, they likely will provide an effective counter against Russian clandestine operations in Ukraine proper.




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