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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:28 AM
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REU: UKRAINE BORDER GUARDS SAY ONE OF THEIR OBSERVATION PLANES COMES UNDER FIRE ON PATROL ON CRIMEA REGIONAL BORDER, NOBODY HURT


Source: twitter.com...


UKRAINE STATE BORDER GUARD PLANE SHOT AT BY ATTACKERS IN CRIMEA


Source: twitter.com...

I'm taking these reports with a large grain of salt. I can't seem to find anything else about this anywhere.




posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:34 AM
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ProfessorT
brave leader to declare war on Russia.


I,d rather allow Russia have Ukraine than the entire world be nuked into oblivion , besides US/UK have lost all moral rights to whine about Russia...



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:41 AM
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Сьогодні близько 17.30 на адміністративній межі з АР Крим озброєні агресори відкрили вогонь по прикордонному літаку.
Легкий літак Державної прикордонної служби України, на борту якого немає жодного озброєння, здійснював патрулювання державного кордону та прикордонних районів. Пролітаючи на межі з АР Крим з боку населеного пункту Армянськ екіпаж зафіксував стрільбу по літаку. Екстремісти відкрили вогонь з автоматичної зброї. Пілоти здійснили різкий маневр, знизилися на граничну висоту та з розгоном швидкості відійшли з курсу.
Наразі літак повернувся в пункт базування, екіпаж та сам літак не постраждали.
В даний час в Криму озброєні російські агресори вдаються до будь-яких безчинств, здійснюють морально-психологічний тиск на прикордонників, погрожують фізичними розправами, дезінформують, залякують. Цього разу вони застосували вогнепальну зброю, не зважаючи на людські життя.


Google Translated Text:


Today, about 17.30 in the administrative boundaries of Crimea armed aggressors fired at the plane boundary .
Light aircraft of the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine , carrying no weapons, has the state border patrol and border areas. Flying on the edge of the Crimea by the settlement Armiansk crew recorded the shooting on the plane. The extremists opened fire with automatic weapons. The pilots made ​​a sudden maneuver , declined to limit the height and speed of dispersal gone off course.
At this time, the plane returned to the point of deployment , the crew and the aircraft itself is not affected.


State border guard service of Ukraine

Found that on a site that says it's the official site of Ukraine's border guard. I clicked on the English version of the site, but I didn't see any mention of the incident there, so I used Google translate to translate the Ukrainian to English. Propaganda or fact?



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:42 AM
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Thanks for keeping us updated, I don't have the time to really look at the news today so much appreciated!



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:49 AM
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No problem. I have to get ready for the day. I'll be back to see the latest.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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MyHappyDogShiner
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Maybe we should post pics of the residences of our leaders here in the U.S. to shed some light on how truly corrupt they all are, or maybe they seem to be justified in making so much money for doing virtually nothing for it somehow.

This whole Crimea and Ukraine mess is nothing more than bankers games and theft sanctioned by the governments that are controlled by them, by the banks...

One minute they say $5 billion in aid, the next minute $10 billion...etc...When in reality they are offering nothing more than Loan guantees, which will only serve to put the people in those country on the hook to pay off those debts to the banks.

What are those protests about?...

MONEY, everything is about money.


Ive been looking into the financial situation because indeed money makes the world go around. However blaming the IMF, the World Bank, or the EU for Ukraine's problems isnt true. Saying so doesn't make it so. Lets look at Ukraine for a minute he government raises a lot of revenue. The amount, as a percentage of GDP, is comparable to revenue collected in Western European countries. A strong social safety net is written into Ukraine’s constitution, too, but the country has nothing to show for the amount of money it spends.Personal income in Ukraine is lower than Europe averges about 6000 a year in Kiev and outside that about 4000, 29% of the population are pensioners who receive an average of $2,000 a year. The number of students enrolled in schools is shrinking faster than the general population. This is an impoverished country.So lets look at why Ukraine’s economic woes caused by the amount of money spent on natural gas subsidies. Instead of prioritizing funds for education, health, pensions, or welfare, Ukraine spends more on subsidies paid to households for natural gas consumption.Russia has set up Ukraines entire economic system to buy gas from gazpro.This is evident from their recent threat to shut down their gas supply again.So we have an economy that makes as much as its european neighbors but everything they make goes to keeping the lights on so to speak.Now to the american offer of 1 billion it wasn't loan guarantees it was energy subsidies.



WASHINGTON - The Obama administration readied economic sanctions against Russia on Tuesday as it formally announced an aid package of $1 billion in energy subsidies to Ukraine amid worries that Moscow would extend its military reach into the mainland of the former Soviet republic.


See these energy subsidies are money we are giving Ukraine to use on there deal with gas producers largest being Royal Dutch Shell to produce natural gas in the region basically the US government will pay money to Shell to open up the gas fields in Ukraine the exploratory operations have been completed. There at the stage now of creating the wells so the Ukrainians can start producing their own gas reserves. This isnt a deal and banks aren't involved other than the US will borrow money to give to a dutch company which personally id rather see that money spent in the US.But thats neither here nor there i guess bottom line is its in the US interests to lessen Ukraine's dependence on Russian gas.Because they weild this like a weapon to control Ukraine and have cut them off several times in the past.This is really about energy independence more than anything else.Russia doesnt want them to be and Ukrainians think if they can be energy independent there standard of living will be like Europe. Many ukrainians see the way Europe lives and well frankly they want that too its human nature.
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posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 11:58 AM
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I'm not sure if anyone has seen this picture yet but it purportedly shows where the Russian troops have planted mines in Kherson, Ukraine. Apparently it is north of Crimea and some reporters on Twitter have said that this is mainland Ukraine. Don't forget the Ukrainian Acting Prime Minister said he would retaliate if Russia advanced further and it appears they have.

Picture from Kherson, Ukraine
edit on 8-3-2014 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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if true


Ukranian armed forces on high alert and ready to go to war with Russia

I knew this would happen



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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ProfessorT
Don't forget the Ukrainian Acting Prime Minister said he would retaliate if Russia advanced further and it appears they have.


From what I have been reading, the troops that laid those mines were supposedly marking the (new?) Crimean / Ukraine border, so if correct they "technically" didn't cross into the mainland, just set the boundaries with land mines no less.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:12 PM
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Looks like poor photoshop to me... where are the shadows? and those wooden beams look copy paste ^^



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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ProfessorT
I'm not sure if anyone has seen this picture yet but it purportedly shows where the Russian troops have planted mines in Kherson, Ukraine. Apparently it is north of Crimea and some reporters on Twitter have said that this is mainland Ukraine. Don't forget the Ukrainian Acting Prime Minister said he would retaliate if Russia advanced further and it appears they have.

Picture from Kherson, Ukraine
edit on 8-3-2014 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)


Here is a corrected link but one thing is odd normally you try to hide mines if people can see where they are there useless. So either this isnt mines or Russia wants people to know there their. Meaning they are not effective for a deterent but mearly a warning sign.Its very odd im skeptical of this to say the least.

twitter.com...



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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They want them to be found. That's how they are marking the border between the mainland and Crimea.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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If you let them have Ukraine because you're afraid of war with them, there will be nothing to stop Putin and the Russians from moving on to other countries and fulfilling their goals of ultimate reconstitution of the Soviet Union. Next Poland?

If Hitler had nukes....



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:22 PM
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Faster than building a wall. But nearly as effective.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:22 PM
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majesticgent
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They want them to be found. That's how they are marking the border between the mainland and Crimea.


Well i see it as stupid you could send someone out there with a rifle and they could have alot of fun. It be easy to shoot the mines when you can see where they are. All it takes is a high powered rifle and time and you could easily undo their work.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:26 PM
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Your plan is to shoot at land mines with enemy patrols in the area?

Good luck with that.




posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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This does not bode well... Looks like the Ukrainian troops are mobilizing for an exercise, or something. Can anyone please provide a better translation?



Українські військові західних регіонів змінюють дислокацію. На Крим?

Колона з кількома десятками БТРів і вантажівками пройшла вулицею у напрямку виїзду зі Львова у суботу.
Про це пише ZAXID.NET.

Натомість у Західному регіональному медіацентрі Міністерства оборони України розповіли, що проводяться "тренування".
Однак, повідомляти деталі відмовилися, назвавши це військовою таємницею.

Разом з тим, керівник медіацентру Олександр Поронюк попросив мешканців з розумінням поставитися до пересування військової техніки територією області.

"Велике прохання, щоб в колони не "вклинювались" автомобілі. Військові проводять тренування", - сказав він.
В той же день в Інтернеті з'явилось відео, як українські військові залишають місця постійної дислокації і в Житомирі.


Google translated text



Ukrainian military deployment western regions of change. In the Crimea?

Instead, the Western Regional Media Center told the Defense Ministry of Ukraine, conducted "training."
However, refused to share the details, calling it a military secret.

However, the head of the Media Center Alexander Poronyuk asked residents to treat with understanding the movement of military equipment across the region.

"We earnestly ask that in the column is not" vklynyuvalys "cars. Conduct military training," - he said.










Source: www.pravda.com.ua...



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:31 PM
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Ive been wondering when this was going to happen most of these basses are in western Ukraine being they are old soviet basses. The soviets had no reason to protect the eastern border. So it looks like there moving the military from the west to the east under the pretext of war games again odd. Should just say were moving our military forces.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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True they probably are providing reinforcements for the east in case the pro-Russian forces decide to go deep into Ukraine.



posted on Mar, 8 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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Those troops above, supposedly, belong to the 79th and 95th airmobile brigade units.


UKRAINIAN TROOPS ARE DISPATCHED TO FRONTLINE. ZHITOMYR. 95th and 79th Airmobile Brigade unites. #euromaidan youtu.be...


Source: twitter.com...



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