Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

reply to post by Yusomad



You really don't understand do you,

You got one little bit right, I agree the fact that Russian troops where based in Crimea at the Black Sea Base.

They are stationed under an agreement between Russian and the Ukranian government. If they were protecting there Black Sea Fleet in Crimea then they and other addistional troops would'nt be invading;

Civil Airports, Ukrainian Military Bases, Ukrainian Parliamentary Buildings, Breaking into Stock piles of Weaponry at these bases,
Blocking borders routes, Access routes, Local media and TV stations.

un-authorising media access and blocking ukrainian navel fleets.

Who the hell are they to be exercising the right to tell people what they can and can't do on sovereignty of Ukraine. It's not there jurisdiction to uphold the martial law in Ukraine outside of Russia.

If they were protecting their assets they would be 'Working' along side Ukraine to ensure the safe guarding there bases in in the black sea or at least not taking over Crimea and other parts.

The russians have been told to return back to thier 'Bases' or those who have entered into Ukraine to pull back the troops out of ukraine.

It's in invasion of Ukraine's sovereignty and they have the right to protect their homeland if the don't retreat anytime soon.

Rather than fighting back ukraine's interim government is trying every diplomatic measure to get the troop to withdraw through diplomatic means.

Now crimea is holding illegal referendum to break away from Ukraine and join Russia which again is another illegal move.

Yes people have the right to vote for Crimea future but only through the Ukrainian government.


As for updating the thread I'm following the events.

DJW001

Yusomad
reply to post by DJW001

 

Because? The country is under the rule of a fascist coupist regime, seems that such term does not sink with you lot. Ofcourse as they are russian bashers (and the first day the "declaration of intentions" was clear: "we will die killing jews and russians" was the quote, right?) all is forgiven.

First, I want you to provide a link to a source that supports your quote. Not a Russian source. Second, I agree that Russia is under fascist control, but that does not give them the right to interfere with the internal affairs of other countries.

It does ,when the west interferes in Russia's neighborhood to create a Pro Us/EU NATO friendly govt. and not to mention talks about creating missile defense network right under Russia's nose . It does give them a right to interfere ...

If America can interfere in Russia's backyard it directly becomes and strategic and national security threat for Russia . NO don't ask for proof , enough has been posted already...too many leaks already

IF there was a coup in Mexico and a Pro Russia govt. was placed and also had previous talks about palcing a Missile defence system you would bet there would be American intervention ..

Yusomad
reply to post by DJW001

 

Russia under fascist control? As you seem to have the stuff backwards I cant really be bothered to pay attention anymore.

What do you call it when one man controls the state for twenty years and shows no signs of retiring of his own free will? What do you call it when the organs of state arrest people who protest this ruler and subject them to show trials? You are the one who has things backwards. The Russian oligarchy is the classic example of a Fascist state: the government exists to provide capital to the private sector.

deviant300
reply to post by Yusomad

 

You really don't understand do you,

You got one little bit right, I agree the fact that Russian troops where based in Crimea at the Black Sea Base.

They are stationed under an agreement between Russian and the Ukranian government. If they were protecting there Black Sea Fleet in Crimea then they and other addistional troops would'nt be invading;

Civil Airports, Ukrainian Military Bases, Ukrainian Parliamentary Buildings, Breaking into Stock piles of Weaponry at these bases,
Blocking borders routes, Access routes, Local media and TV stations.

A democratically elected govt. is over thrown and replaced with a fascist neo nazi govt. which itself is illegitimate .. The Ukrainian govt. is no longer recognized ... As i said in my above post..

Russia has all rights to militarily intervene in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine , its the Crimean govt. who themselves called Russia for help .. Yes now you can complain how the illegitimate govt. of Ukraine claims illegitimacy on the govt. of Crimea , which is laughable.

IF Crimea wants to break up and join Russia, its their choice America has absolutely no right to decide what is legal or illegal..
Its none of America's/wests Business ...

reply to post by maddy21

It does ,when the west interferes in Russia's neighborhood to create a Pro Us/EU NATO friendly govt. and not to mention talks about creating missile defense network right under Russia's nose . It does give them a right to interfere ...

Once again, there is no proof that "the west" did anything but offer the Ukraine the same deal they have offered to every other nation on the continent.

If America can interfere in Russia's backyard it directly becomes and strategic and national security threat for Russia . NO don't ask for proof , enough has been posted already...too many leaks already

Russia has been interfering in the European Union's backyard. America is only getting involved because Russia is posing a threat to its European allies.

IF there was a coup in Mexico and a Pro Russia govt. was placed and also had previous talks about palcing a Missile defence system you would bet there would be American intervention ..

Are you completely ignorant of history? There was a revolution in Cuba and the Soviet Union did place missiles there!

reply to post by maddy21


Would you guys please stop using the word "fascist?" We're playing a drinking game here and you've used the word so many times we can scarcely see straight. At least you've stopped using the word "thug." We had to drink two shots when you used that!

DJW001
reply to post by maddy21

 

Once again, there is no proof that "the west" did anything but offer the Ukraine the same deal they have offered to every other nation on the continent.

Did you forget the recent leaked conversations where Victoria Nuland is openly discussing on who should replace the Ukrainian leader in the infamous "f**k the EU" Video . Are are you willfully unaware that US spent $5billion on Ukraine ?

Russia has been interfering in the European Union's backyard. America is only getting involved because Russia is posing a threat to its European allies.

Which backyard would that be ? From what i remember NATO has been too busy trying taking out Russia's allies , Syria, Libya , Iran , Iraq .. You have been pushing Russia for a long time..

You support a Dictatorship in Pakistan(Musharaff) while attacking a Dictator Iraq for having WMD's which they did not while the latter certainly did have WMD's and had a horrible track record of proliferation, ignore the massive killings in Bahrain which is being done by Saudi troops but..If Russia comes in peacefully inside Crimea without killing a single person , you start with the paranoia ..

Are you completely ignorant of history? There was a revolution in Cuba and the Soviet Union did place missiles there!

Right and now you are going to tell me America did nothing about it and did not at all try to assassinate Castro or overthrow him.. Skip the cold war and come back to recent history , seem NATO can invade and destroy any country they like , interfere in any country , trying to mess up entire countries , destroy entire infrastructure , case a bloody civil war . But oh boy if another nation does it . BTW...mind telling me how many people have been killed in this invasion ? and compare that too first few days in Iraq or Libya ? Hypocrisy of he highest order ...

Hellas
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According to Turner Radio Network, Russia has amassed 30 nuclear bombers at an airfield adjacent to Russia’s Borisoglebsk national level nuclear weapons storage facility and US satellites have seen “numerous transfers from the storage facility to the aircraft.”

Is this Russia’s way of visibly showing they will strike out with nuclear weapons if attacked? Are they preparing for a retaliatory attack or their own offensive attacks?

As of March 4, 2014, according to the satellite imagery, there were only two bombers parked at that airport and now there are 30, loaded up and ready to strike, as evidenced by Auxiliary Power Units (APU’s) attached.
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Already posted and removed. Source is unreliable and flagged as a hoax if used in a thread.

reply to post by maddy21



The supposed Crimea Government is an illegal cou and is not recognised by the international community and the Ukraine interim government.

The OSCE team have been blocked by armed men from entering Crimea through the Chungar border, an AFP reporter at the scene says.

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deviant300
reply to post by maddy21

 

The supposed Crimea Government is an illegal cou and is not recognised by the international community and the Ukraine interim government.

Other than the west how many countries have recognized Ukraine's new govt. Check the news China,India have already voiced their support of Russia and their actions as being legitimate, more will follow suit..

reply to post by maddy21

Did you forget the recent leaked conversations where Victoria Nuland is openly discussing on who should replace the Ukrainian leader in the infamous "f**k the EU" Video . Are are you willfully unaware that US spent $5billion on Ukraine ?

So you admit that Russia illegally taps diplomats' phones! They are even worse than the NSA! Hypocrites!

DJW001
reply to post by maddy21

 

Did you forget the recent leaked conversations where Victoria Nuland is openly discussing on who should replace the Ukrainian leader in the infamous "f**k the EU" Video . Are are you willfully unaware that US spent $5billion on Ukraine ?

So you admit that Russia illegally taps diplomats' phones! They are even worse than the NSA! Hypocrites!

Nice try , but lets get back to topic lol ...

reply to post by DJW001


So if I say fascist thugs, how many drinks is that?

On topic. The elected Ukraine parliament impeached/ousted the sitting president, a president suspected of stealing billions. A new election was set for May 25th so the people of Ukraine could vote for a new president.

Russia/Putin didn't like his pro-Russia ally being thrown out of office so he decided to move Russian troops from the bases they legally can be at and proceeded to invade a sovereign nation. (along with troops moved into the country)

Since the invasion, people have been appointed as a new Crimea government not elected by the people, just appointed and now want to claim it as a legitimate government. Conveniently, the appointee's are pro-Russian, you know, the guys in Crimea with the guns.

The world isn't to keen on the bully behavior of Putin so they have begun to place sanctions and have requested neutral UN observers be allowed into Crimea to see what is actually happening. For some reason, Putin doesn't want those pesky UN observers. hmmmmm, wonder why? Maybe because he knows that he is in the wrong here.

reply to post by maddy21

Other than the west how many countries have recognized Ukraine's new govt. Check the news China,India have already voiced their support of Russia and their actions as being legitimate, more will follow suit..

Not exactly. Both have refrained from criticizing Russia. Both have made ambiguous statements calling for a diplomatic solution. Neither has recognized the Russian puppet government in Crimea.

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''Translation:
The deposed on February 22, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych would be hospitalized. According to a Russian newspaper after a heart attack
Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper reported that the 63-year-old Yanukovich according to an anonymous source suffered a heart attack and is in a precarious state.''''

Is this confirmed ^^^? I'm surprised it's not a bigger story. TIA

schmae
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''Translation:
The deposed on February 22, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych would be hospitalized. According to a Russian newspaper after a heart attack
Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper reported that the 63-year-old Yanukovich according to an anonymous source suffered a heart attack and is in a precarious state.''''

Is this confirmed ^^^? I'm surprised it's not a bigger story. TIA

Could be he might just "disappear" with the stolen billions to live freely in Russia, the world thinking he is dead or near it. (this is a conspiracy site after all.)

DJW001
reply to post by maddy21

 

Other than the west how many countries have recognized Ukraine's new govt. Check the news China,India have already voiced their support of Russia and their actions as being legitimate, more will follow suit..

Not exactly. Both have refrained from criticizing Russia. Both have made ambiguous statements calling for a diplomatic solution. Neither has recognized the Russian puppet government in Crimea.

Both have openly said Russia's actions are legitimate , calling for diplomatic solutions is something which is standard talk . no country will ever say "Wipe them out, all of them"

maddy21

DJW001
reply to post by maddy21

 

Other than the west how many countries have recognized Ukraine's new govt. Check the news China,India have already voiced their support of Russia and their actions as being legitimate, more will follow suit..

Not exactly. Both have refrained from criticizing Russia. Both have made ambiguous statements calling for a diplomatic solution. Neither has recognized the Russian puppet government in Crimea.

Both have openly said Russia's actions are legitimate , calling for diplomatic solutions is something which is standard talk . no country will ever say "Wipe them out, all of them"

No, they have not. Not in any official statement that I have read. Would you care to link to a source for your statement?