Should U.S. Pay for Ukraine's Bankruptcy?

Good question.

Set aside the politics of Obama vs Putin and visible internal conflicts within Eastern European idealisms.

European and American media may be celebrating the triumph of the Ukraine “people’s revolution,” but the real question is who is going to pay for the $29 billion a year bailout to keep the country from going bankrupt.

United States Secretary of State John Kerry recognized the rebel government and pledged $1 billion of support. The 28 nation European Union (EU) offered to join with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in an aid package worth as much as $27 billion over seven years. But with the EU economy shrinking by a ½% over the last five years and many member nations needing financial assistance, the bulk of the cash for a Ukrainian bailout would have to come from the U.S. Given America’s foreign economic assistance budget is only $31.2 billion, are Americans willing or able to pay $29 billion a year to keep the Ukraine afloat?


Should U.S. Pay for Ukraine's Bankruptcy?

Ukraine is not a member of the Bank for International Settlements.

That outfit is the command center for all member central banking systems including the U.S. Federal Reserve and the Bank of England.

Many recent hotspots in the world are also non-members. Odd coincidences.

And better yet, should the U.S. help fund the George Soros investments?

Could it be that international investment communities are fueling the unrest?

Soros has interests.

Any "Loans" to a "new" Ukraine will end up in the pockets of international investors who will siphon off most of the wealth generated by a stable economy.


International Renaissance Foundation


The Struggle for Ukraine – Protests Made in Germany, America and the EU


Gazprom may open to foreign investors (2001)


Soros is right to be scared of Russian monopolies (2006)


Russia Arrests Soros EcoTerrorists (2013)


Soros-Advised Ukraine Cut Gas to Europe


Bank for International Settlements wiki


Mr. Progressive international con man himself:
Soon to be the "new" Mr. Ukraine?

reply to post by xuenchen


Occurs they will, Walls street behind the Federal Reserve that have an arm of the IMF will be doing all the loans necessary to make sure that they own a big chunk of the soon emerging new Ukraine economy.

You know that your question is not if or should, but when.

reply to post by xuenchen


Wonder who is gonna bail us out when we go backrupt??

I feel that we should just go back to being isolationists. Get out of the worlds problems and start on fixing our own. Besides whose money would we actually be spending? I feel like aiding countries with our borrowed money is stupid and reckless.

reply to post by doompornjunkie


That is the beauty of owning a chunk of emerging countries economies, when US bankrupts so all the economies in the world that do or are doing business with the US will bankrupt also.

When cities and counties in the US are going bankrupt...and NOT getting any federal bailouts....I fail to see why the US should spend money it doesn't have bailing out other countries.
That may sound self-fish, but I don't see bailing out any country as a purpose of the US government.

reply to post by marg6043


You are correct, but can you see anyway that even if just slowly we can back out of the ownerships and obligations? I mean I'm only 23 but I am fond of the good ol' days when we just went around carrying a big stick so no one would even dare try anything. Our constant involvement wasn't necessary.

Now days we are more of a sissy nanny that kinda goes around trying to negotiate for problems that aren't ours and get ourselves in these stupid situations! The more we do it, the more ties we create, meaning that we are called upon more and more often. It's asinine in my opinion.

It's not about the U.S taxpayer in the first place. It's about the IMF and multimillionaires and billionaires in the west that want to buy up Ukrainian infrastructure and resources at dirt cheap prices so they can rake in the profits while charging the Ukrainian people interest on a bailout fund.

It's the same damn thing these people did to the American taxpayers. They are vultures and morally corrupt psychopaths who have no problem making obscene profits from the suffering of human beings. It's important to separate the issue from one of the west bailing out the Ukraine, because it isn't about some sort of altruistic act of mercy. It's about buying up land, industry, resources, etc while it's dirt cheap due to fomented unrest, and then holding IMF loans over the head of a new government that will play ball while lifting restrictions on the ability of foreign multinational corporations to buy out state owned resources.

International banking cartels and corporations are the only ones profiting in such a move. As usual the people of the Ukraine will be shackled to years of obscene austerity measures. You as the american taxpayer are already subsidizing these same oligarchs anyways. They will do it with or without your approval.

reply to post by doompornjunkie


You have to understand that US government is not the government we had decades ago, now is more owned behind the scenes by private interest, Walls street big names, the Federal Reserve and so on and on.

Is no longer a nations economy we are talking but the world economies, that means control over other nations future.

Yes the so call and infamous NWO is not a myth but is actually a reality, controlling economies and the fate of nations is big business.

Remember 2008 market crash, while it originated in the US we found out that spanned most emerging and developed countries in the world that do business with the US, secrets were out, eve China was no immune and not even the citizens knew how much their country was into US mess.

You think it can be stopped? no in a million year, even if a global crash happen the racketeers will be devising new ways to start all over again at the expenses of the people, because that is what we are nothing but collateral.

reply to post by xuenchen


Highly recommend watching this (and reading the book if you can):



It will shed a new light on what you are seeing in the Ukraine right now.

No. They need to stay out of what Isn't their business for once. Just once would be nice.

The answer to the question in the OP title is no. The U.S. can't even pay for it's own bankruptcy. I wonder why none of the neighboring NATO nations aren't devising a plan? Why is it up to the U.S. to fix this? If this is such a big deal to the EU nations, then let them fix it, but we haven't even heard so much of a peep from them that I've seen so I guess Ukraine is just destined to submit to Russian control. The surrounding NATO nations don't seem to be acting in any fashion, so my official stance is ok, then it is what it is.

reply to post by xuenchen

Should U.S. Pay for Ukraine's Bankruptcy?

No.

Last thing this country needs to do is do a repeat of Iraq, and Afghanistan.

We bailed them out so to speak, made those government lackey's rich only for them to kick us in the teeth.

And made in your face deals with Russia,China,Iran.

Ukraine needs to sort it's own crap out.

Russia want's to act all big, and bad they can have at it.

Clear as hell we don't have the cash or the will to do anything of substance when it comes to foreign policy.

Russia has been laughing at Obama the last 6 years.

Ukraine,Venezula,Arab springs,Murbaraks overthrow in Egypt, and Russia 'spy' ships docked at Cuba is the result of the Amateur in Chief.

Oh and then there is the defense cuts of the past 6 years, and this week.

Something wicked this way comes in the near future.

You can take that FACT to any fiat currency bank.

29B/yr is pretty cheap for a Russian boarder.

How much does Israel cost? And for nothing....

MALBOSIA
29B/yr is pretty cheap for a Russian boarder.

How much does Israel cost? And for nothing....

Ok, noted, you are condemning the U.S. for supporting Israel, many on ATS do that and it's noted every day. It's a completely different topic, however, btw...

So what about the Ops title question? "Should U.S. Pay for Ukraine's Bankruptcy?"

If you think the U.S. should as a gesture of "why not, they pay Israel at the cost of nothing", (assuming you're referring to the FED who prints it, whereas the taxpayers flip the bill) where do you think the other NATO nations stand? Should they not play a part at all? This isn't even in the U.S. backyard. The EU wants a deal with Ukraine so why shouldn't they speak up, get tough and flip the bill?

reply to post by xuenchen


NO !! but being who we are and the designated cops of the world we will keep buying loyalty ( if you can call it that ) long before we start taking care of our own country... damn sad

Even if we had the money to give it would only piss off the Russians more.And in light of recent events how do we know the Russians won't be installing another puppet government.If that happens why would we subsidize it?

reply to post by DeadSeraph
You got it right on the head of the nail, DS. If more people would realize the IMF and ECB are proxy to our own (not federal) federal reserve cartel then it would be easy to understand that it doesn't matter what anyone thinks because Russia will NOT let their 300 year control of Ukraine and the Black Sea coast go to anyone but Russia, at least not w/out a fight. The truly naive would think we don't have anything to do (CIA) with stirring the pot over there either. Just ask Greece how the "bailout is going", or ask the average US taxpayer with a clear understanding of the farce that is austerity and you will have your answer. Given past history one could also surmise that a large scale skirmish anywhere would do well to cover up,delay, or prevent the implosion of our own great ponzi scheme right here in the US. One just has to get through the propaganda and, as usual, follow the money...

No.

Everyone sees Russia as the bad guy, but considering it's right there, let it take responsibility for once.

Russia had just forgiven a large amount of cuban debt, so i'm sure it cab afford to help a neighbor.

rt.com...

Besides, a large part of the problem is pro russian protests, so some of the population at least want russia to step in.

Wookiep

MALBOSIA
29B/yr is pretty cheap for a Russian boarder.

How much does Israel cost? And for nothing....

Ok, noted, you are condemning the U.S. for supporting Israel, many on ATS do that and it's noted every day. It's a completely different topic, however, btw...

So what about the Ops title question? "Should U.S. Pay for Ukraine's Bankruptcy?"

If you think the U.S. should as a gesture of "why not, they pay Israel at the cost of nothing", (assuming you're referring to the FED who prints it, whereas the taxpayers flip the bill) where do you think the other NATO nations stand? Should they not play a part at all? This isn't even in the U.S. backyard. The EU wants a deal with Ukraine so why shouldn't they speak up, get tough and flip the bill?

edit on 28-2-2014 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)

I meant "nothing" as in the US GAINS nothing from Israel. They are a liability across the board. Ukraine on the other hand has a very useful peace of property. If the US can control the politics in Ukraine it would be a very BIG problem for Russia. So it is worth something to the US.