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where is the justice, mercy and equality in them? ...women were suddenly garbage, controlled, degraded, even stoned to death, as opposed to being shunned or punished in another way? Why does God not begin teaching right there to correct that?
Displaying a young girl's underwear for all to see? How totally controlling, degrading and humiliating no matter at what historic period it happened
Hey, are you gonna write a thread called "God's Law; Your Husband" or "God's Law; Your Sons"?
Or do Christians harbour misogynist fantasies about the "good old days"
Sure, nobody has to read it but even the title is an endless reminder of the inequality.
Nothing to do with murder, stoning, even slavery or control of another person depicts God, just some very bad intentioned evil people who wrote that, and I'm not even going into texts of that nature to see what the metaphors might be. Evil wrote that.
Wait a minute! The Israelites came out of Egypt. They weren't stoning people in ancient Egypt!
" Methods of execution included beheading, sacrifice, and drowning in the Nile in a closed sack."
It seems to me that the Israelite culture went backwards for the worse, not forward for the better.
129. If a man's wife be surprised (in flagrante delicto) with another man, both shall be tied and thrown into the water, but the husband may pardon his wife and the king his slave.
131. If a man bring a charge against one's wife, but she is not surprised with another man, she must take an oath and then may return to her house.
132. If the "finger is pointed" at a man's wife about another man, but she is not caught sleeping with the other man, she shall jump into the river for her husband.
Chance? Seems like God could have come up with a better idea than that.
It's not just a question of what God could "come up with", but also of what ideas the people of the time could be willing and able to take on board.
And even an escape route dependant upon tossing a coin gives a woman better chances than having no escape route at all.
These laws don't have to be perfect to be an improvement on what would have been there otherwise.
reply to post by Pauligirl
Societies in general had that tendancy, at the time when he picked out this one and began working with it.
Code of Hammurabi
130. If a man violate the wife (betrothed or child-wife) of another man, who has never known a man, and still lives in her father's house, and sleep with her and be surprised, this man shall be put to death, but the wife is blameless.
The Talent of Money
In the New Testament, the term "talent" meant something very different than it does today. The talents Jesus Christ spoke of in the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant (Matthew 18:21-35) and the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30) referred to the largest unit of currency at the time.
Thus, a talent represented a rather large sum of money. According to New Nave's Topical Bible, one who possessed five talents of gold or silver was a multimillionaire by today's standards. Some calculate the talent in the parables to be equivalent to 20 years of wages for the common worker. Other scholars estimate more conservatively, valuing the New Testament talent somewhere between $1,000 to $30,000 dollars today.
The real median earnings of men who worked full-time, year-round climbed between 2006 and 2007, from $43,460 to $45,113 (about 3.6 times minimum wage in 2006 to 3.7 times minimum wage in 2007).
Obviously it would not be a safe assumption to make in modern cities, but these law-makers were not legislating for modern cities.
If similar laws are applied in modern states, under different social conditions, in such a way that innocent women are penalized, that is the fault of the modern states themselves, and should not be blamed on the law-makers of the Old Testament."
New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Bags of Gold 14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.
19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’
21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’
22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’
23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’
24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’
26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
a.Matthew 25:15 Greek five talents … two talents … one talent; also throughout this parable; a talent was worth about 20 years of a day laborer’s wage.