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windword
reply to post by DeadSeraph
Well, I can't speak for the OP, but the title of the thread: "Bible Alterations and Converting the Sun Worshipers", at least the last part, Converting the Sun Worshipers, was, in my opinion, the goal, and paganism was deliberately and systematically inserted into Christian, narrative, ritual and doctrine.
edit on 28-2-2014 by windword because: (no reason given)
I think that much I can agree on. Even adjensen has acquiesced on that point).
That does not indicate however that Christianity itself (before the council of nicaea or constantine) was based on solar worship.
All the evidence seems to indicate otherwise, and I have noticed that you constantly draw parallels where none exist by mentioning passages in the new testament where the sun is alluded to in simile and proclaiming it is evidence of sun worship when nothing could be further from the truth.
It seems like a deliberate effort on your part to muddy the waters,
but given your horrendous experiences in your youth which you have shared with us,
I can't say I blame you much. I think maybe you are just trying to strip what you see as the source of your abuses of any legitimacy it may have, because of your own pain (which is a natural reaction).
At any rate, it's important in this discussion to make the distinction here, because we need to understand what the claims are exactly before we can debate their veracity. In that sense, I think you are also somewhat confused, since I have seen you claim elsewhere that Jesus the Nazarene existed, while at other times claiming there is no historical Jesus. If he existed, then he clearly was not a sun worshiper (nor were his disciples).
adjensen
reply to post by benrl
With things like the Crusades, inquisition, its a church responsible for killing its own.
How were the Crusades, an effort to retake the Holy Lands from the Muslims, "killing its own"?
Also has a seat on the UN, theres more that tie the RCC with the description given.
Vatican City (an independent nation) is a non-member of the UN with observational privileges. See: United Nations Permanent Observers
For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, was December 25th, Wednesday, while Augustus was in his forty-second year, but from Adam, five thousand and five hundred years. He suffered in the thirty-third year, March 25th, Friday, the eighteenth year of Tiberius Caesar, while Rufus and Roubellion were Consuls.
Gryphon66
I don't think anyone would argue with the idea that the various Sun Gods are often depicted at the center of the celestial zodiac:
Helios
Basically, the chariot Allegory describes the soul figuratively as a chariot, driven by a charioteer, and powered by two horses: a noble white horse and an ignoble dark one. It occurs in the context of an allegory in which the chariot attempts to rise beyond the heavens, there to behold divine visions, but often doesn't succeed, instead falling to earth. But there is a process by which it may ascend again.
A literal meaning by Plato seems unlikely. I shall propose three levels of interpretation: (1) a psychological level, such that ascension and fall correspond to the continuing effort to organize and recollect the personality or mind; (2) a level that corresponds to the contemplative journey, with its characteristic periods of progress and seeming setbacks--dark nights, aridity, and feelings of abandonment; and (3) a more basic religious level that corresponds to divination and salvation of the soul.
Dorothy M. Murdock,[1][2] also known by her pen name Acharya S,[3][4] is an American author and proponent of the Christ myth theory.[5] She writes books, and operates a website named Truth be Known. She argues that Christianity is founded on earlier myths and the characters depicted in Christianity are based upon Roman, Greek, Egyptian, and other myths.[6] Her theories have received negative commentaries from academic scholars.[7][8][9]
In her various books, she describes the New Testament as a work of mythic fiction within a historical setting. She claims that the story of Jesus Christ is a retelling of various pagan myths, representing "astrotheology", or the story of the Sun, and also incorporates the science of archaeoastronomy. She asserts the pagans understood the stories to be myths, but Christians obliterated evidence to the contrary by destroying and controlling literature when they attained control of the Roman Empire, which led to widespread illiteracy in the ancient world, ensuring the mythical nature of Christ's story was hidden.[10]
Murdock compares Jesus' history to other "savior-gods" such as Mithra, Horus, Adonis, Krishna,Quetzalcoatl, and Odin, claiming the similarities result from a common source: the myth of the sun-god or solar deity.[11] Her theories resemble those that were abandoned by mainstream scholars a century ago. [12]
Acharya S was criticized by Joel McDurmon, in part for the premise that Jesus was based on ancient sun gods because of the modern English homophones son and sun. Source:
chiram
The allegation that Jesus is depicted as the sun god are ludicrous to say the least and pure disinformation at its best.
This Author Dorothy M Murdock has written a book “Jesus as the Sun throughout History”. She includes some information on her website as to how she came to this conclusion
Acharya S was criticized by Joel McDurmon, in part for the premise that Jesus was based on ancient sun gods because of the modern English homophones son and sun.
Ms Murdock received negative comments on – Archarya S as a Hindu Guru Source:
Gryphon66: I don't think anyone would argue with the idea that the various Sun Gods are often depicted at the center of the celestial zodiac:
Gryphon66: Helios, and Apollo, and Sol, and any other number of sungods are shown hundreds of times with common elements of the crown, the chariot, and usually four white horses. Archeologists, historians, and traditions beyond number agree upon this point.
chiram
Gryphon66: I don't think anyone would argue with the idea that the various Sun Gods are often depicted at the center of the celestial zodiac:
Chiram: I disputed your statement.
benrl
reply to post by Specimen
Which is why many feel the Roman Catholic church is the "whore" of Babylon in revelations, drunk on the blood of the saints, who made fornication with the worlds leaders, etc.
With things like the Crusades, inquisition, its a church responsible for killing its own.
Also has a seat on the UN, theres more that tie the RCC with the description given.
iRoyalty
The purpose of this thread was NOT to say Christians worship a sun-god or even believe Jesus is a Sun-god. Like I said in the OP, we are assuming Jesus was real and that he is the Son of God. My point, was that the story of Jesus had been re-portrayed to fit in with other peoples religions, this was to make Roman rule easier for people to accept. Constantine was one of the greatest Emperors of the Romans, he united everyone despite everyone having very varied religions, this was thanks to Christianity and his success in converting everyone to Christianity. I think we can thank Constantine for making Christianity such a world wide and mainstream religion. But my question is how? How did this one man do what no one else in history has done since? That is to make everyone either happy under his religion or just flat out convert without the use of too much force!
I would ask you to refer to the evidence I posted in the OP, I want to ask anyone who has said that my theory is a ridiculous notion, why does Jesus have such a strikingly similar story to Sun-Gods before him? Like Mithras of the Sol Invictus and Horus of the Egyptian Gods. They're so similar that if you just take the story without names you would easily mistake the story for that of Jesus's.