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Russian helicopters heading to Sevastopol, Ukraine

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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 07:47 PM
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MrMaybeNot
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To tell you the truth, I stand with Russia on this. They're not the aggressors here, they're merely trying to protect their assets.


Just out of curiosity how is Ukraine their asset?




posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 07:48 PM
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crazyewok

thesaneone
I believe that Russia is getting ready to make her move, they are trying to set their pieces at key ports around the world.

"Russia says it is negotiating with 8 governments around the world for access to military facilities to extend its long range naval strategic bomber capabilities"




Dont be silly

I know your American education and media has likley brainwashed you into Red paranoia.

But russia are not in any position to take on the world. Outside its borders the west world crush them. Yeah Russia is quite capable of defence but certainly not world domination.

They just want the Crimea.


More or less .. correct. Russia can bully and invade it's neighbors / former allies. Not much else.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 07:49 PM
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In favor of a return to the EU when they're already on the brink of bankruptcy in many of its key members? In favor of a world domination by global bankers? Corruption is everywhere deal with it. Certainly not only on Russia's side.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 07:51 PM
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A good behaving neighbour is a pretty good asset to me.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 07:51 PM
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SheopleNation
How do you know what people are not making a connection about, and who?


Because if you look at the conversation thus far no one has looked at the reaction from the Russian people towards its own government and its actions in relation to Ukraine.

People are assuming the Russian people will just quietly accept this action, while assuming that the Russian government has complete support of its people.

They are assuming the Russian people will behave like they did in WWII, where the people are ordered to die and if they refuse to fight, they were shot by their own officers. When the Soviet Union collapsed and reform made its way to Russia, they were able to get a taste of freedom. When Putin took office he began rolling back those freedoms, trying to reinstate the Soviet Union.

The problem is the Russian people are not quietly going to give up their recently won freedom. We see this with the protests against Putin, the band Pussy Riot, the business owners who have challenged putin, the media groups that have challenged putin.

Eventually Putin will hit a point where the Russian people will want answers, and ignoring them this time around like the way it happened during the heydays of the Soviet Union wont cut it this time.

When it comes to emerging democracies the immediate focus is short term. Will the new government be able to operate under the new rules / laws. People never really take into account long term strategies and how the new government / laws / constitution will serve the people 20, 50 or 100 years down the road.

By failing to look down the road, people are selling themselves short while giving the government the upper hand, imo.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 07:52 PM
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MrMaybeNot
reply to post by TritonTaranis
 


I'm totally against war, but I believe the United States created and funded the problem in Syria, I also think the chemical attack was set up by the United States. I believe the only reason the United States didn't invade Syria is Vladimir Putin's call to reason and massive civil opposition in the US. I believe that Nato has a plan to attack Russia with anti missile systems in Ukraine. What would you say if Russia invaded Canada? If Russia funded mass civil unrest in Canada against the United States?

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Firstly... that because you don't understand the Middle East

Only Syria and Iran are allied with the East the rest tend to side with the west, the likes of Saudi Arabia buy billions of western hardware each year, these are Sunni Muslims

Iran is a majority Shiite country, Assads government is 90% Shiite... Alwites a Shiite offshoot, Assad and his government is a minority in power

This does not sit well with Sunni Muslims especially why the country is 90% Sunni,

Saudis and Qatar have openly admitted to the funding of the now well armed rebels in Syria, and it's also wel documented that Iran and the Saudis are fighting for control on the Middle East

Those are facts the US and western powers don't need to be involved, all they need to keep doing is making billions in armes deals to the Sunni countries supporting the Syrian Sunni rebels

Russia has a lot to lose, namely a key ally and a naval base in the med, and it's influence in the region...

Ukraine is no different



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 07:52 PM
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MrMaybeNot
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
 


A good behaving neighbour is a pretty good asset to me.


and when that neighbor decides he wants something in your country and comes in and takes it then what?



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 07:58 PM
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MrMaybeNot
reply to post by TritonTaranis
 


In favor of a return to the EU when they're already on the brink of bankruptcy in many of its key members? In favor of a world domination by global bankers? Corruption is everywhere deal with it. Certainly not only on Russia's side.


If the EU goes so does the world

The fact is the Ukraine have suffered centuries under attack from Russia and the brutal soviet communists, they're not stupid, they see the light in western values and culture

That's there choice not Russia's and forcing them to align is totally expected of Putin and his mafia degenerates

World domination?

I see no harm in unity but division and communists? You'd have to be mad, good on the Ukrainians for having common sense, the EU will bring them far more wealth and freedoms that a brutal mafia ever will



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 07:59 PM
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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 07:59 PM
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And why do you think most other countries are standing with the US? Because they're the white knights? Jedi's of the free world? Because they don't have the choice. How do you surrender to a drone? US is in bed with the EU and they want world domination and they know their currency is bound to fail.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 08:03 PM
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Rome will collapse, it simply can't go on like this forever. The system as we know it is breaking up, key players are trying to secure their position in a new world order.
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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 08:03 PM
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OccamsRazor04

MrMaybeNot
reply to post by seasoul
 


To tell you the truth, I stand with Russia on this. They're not the aggressors here, they're merely trying to protect their assets.


Just out of curiosity how is Ukraine their asset?


Because Ukraine and Syria are in the way of a proposed gas and oil pipeline from the Middle East which threatens to strange the Russian economy to death when the EU favours gas and oil from its Sunni friends in the middle easy

Of course Russia's going to kill everybody in those countries who doesn't align with the new soviet empire and Russian mafia, and then it's going to feed you clueless bunch anti west propaganda all day on the interwebz

Derrrrr

Wakey wakey sheeple



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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MrMaybeNot
And why do you think most other countries are standing with the US?

So Russia / Soviet Union doesn't hold them hostage any more?



MrMaybeNot
Because they're the white knights? Jedi's of the free world? Because they don't have the choice.

I must have missed it.. What choice did Russia give Ukraine? Was that choice before or after Russia invaded the Ukraine?



MrMaybeNot
How do you surrender to a drone?

Good question... how does one surrender to Polonium?


MrMaybeNot
US is in bed with the EU and they want world domination and they know their currency is bound to fail.


If the economic system of the west is that bad then why have Russia and China, and a whole slew of former communists nations adopted it? I have heard people make these same arguments about currencies / free markets etc. Those systems are generally attacked by people who do not understand how it works. They tend to accuse free markets of enslaving people, while ignoring that exact system under communist / extreme socialist economies.

Its preferable for countries to challenge each other economically. The result is a race to make a better product that is higher quality and cheaper than their competitors. Competition forces advances in technology / construction / research methods.

if that system is bad then the west would have crumbled and Russia would be economically dominating the world. since they are not, there is a flaw in the argument people are making with regards to free market systems. China attacks the free market system yet embraces it when they are directly benefiting from it.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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MrMaybeNot
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Rome will collapse, it simply can't go on like this forever. The system as we know it is breaking up, key players are trying to gain their roles in a new world order.


Every time a Rome fell thought history a new and bigger Rome empire emerged united from the spoils...

One day the inevitable will happen, and mankind will be united under a one world government... It is our destiny whether we like it or not we're we're all one once upon a time...

And sadly... If the inevitable doesn't happen then were all dead anyway

It's like a fight for the title a Royal rumble throughout time, only sticks get thrown in the ring at first... Then stones... Then knifes.... Then guns... Then Grenades....

Let's hope someone wins this Royal rumble before the grenades get dropped in the ring and everybody dies

Let all hope we make it to a type one civilisation...

However

There is Russia doing these stupid things in the world today, can't play the game and keep up with the west and decided to end the game with a nuclear war YAY

Back down Russia you cannot compete and shouldn't of been such greedy arrogant dives at the end of WWII
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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 08:23 PM
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The result is a race to make a better product that is higher quality and cheaper than their competitors. Competition forces advances in technology / construction / research methods.


Competitors compete for higher profits, not better and cheaper goods. More profits mean more power of persuasion. A small free energy start up cannot compete with Shell Corp even if the free energy device cost 5 bucks and lasted 100 years. Shell profits afford them the ability to lobby legislators that decide of products are safe. Their profits allow them to threaten to pull advertising revenue from media if they put a spotlight on a big oil competitor.

Unregulated free markets do nothing for consumer happiness. They may have kick started technology but it will not provide anything sustainable. Impossible.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 08:25 PM
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Well after reading your response, I understand now more what your position is, and I actually agree with what you're saying. Course I don't know myself what the Russian people are thinking, or if they are so sick of what we do that they might be willing to sacrifice certain freedoms, understand what I mean?

Either way, You make some very good points. I just wanted to make sure that you and I were on the same page, cause sometimes a response online can come across as condescending, even when it's not. That is the life on internet forums I guess.
~$heopleNation



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 08:28 PM
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I don't see Canada invading the United States over the Keystone pipeline.


Obviously not what I meant, I understand your feelings on this and my son flies an Apache so I have reason for concern.

I simply meant that when something is involving a country on your border that affects you in as many ways as this effects Russia, yes the US would feel the need to take some kind of action also.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 08:36 PM
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MALBOSIA
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The result is a race to make a better product that is higher quality and cheaper than their competitors. Competition forces advances in technology / construction / research methods.


Competitors compete for higher profits, not better and cheaper goods. More profits mean more power of persuasion. A small free energy start up cannot compete with Shell Corp even if the free energy device cost 5 bucks and lasted 100 years. Shell profits afford them the ability to lobby legislators that decide of products are safe. Their profits allow them to threaten to pull advertising revenue from media if they put a spotlight on a big oil competitor.

Unregulated free markets do nothing for consumer happiness. They may have kick started technology but it will not provide anything sustainable. Impossible.




I agree 100% with you. The future if there is one cannot be a capitalist system like today. It might be a twist of communist and socialism and I would be all with it. Capitalism with unregulated free markets will only bring poverty, debt and destruction of the planet. It is suicide to keep on with that. I love some good technology, but under capitalism, all our "techno-fixes" bring new and more complex problems as they are too often made to impact profits and not much else. We think we're better than nature, we are nature and any system that doesn't benefit the human race should be outlawed.
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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 09:10 PM
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MrMaybeNot

MALBOSIA
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The result is a race to make a better product that is higher quality and cheaper than their competitors. Competition forces advances in technology / construction / research methods.


Competitors compete for higher profits, not better and cheaper goods. More profits mean more power of persuasion. A small free energy start up cannot compete with Shell Corp even if the free energy device cost 5 bucks and lasted 100 years. Shell profits afford them the ability to lobby legislators that decide of products are safe. Their profits allow them to threaten to pull advertising revenue from media if they put a spotlight on a big oil competitor.

Unregulated free markets do nothing for consumer happiness. They may have kick started technology but it will not provide anything sustainable. Impossible.




I agree 100% with you. The future if there is one cannot be a capitalist system like today. It might be a twist of communist and socialism and I would be all with it. Capitalism with unregulated free markets will only bring poverty, debt and destruction of the planet. It is suicide to keep on with that. I love some good technology, but under capitalism, all our "techno-fixes" bring new and more complex problems as they are too often made to impact profits and not much else. We think we're better than nature, we are nature and any system that doesn't benefit the human race should be outlawed.
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Capitalism provides aid and feeds the poor In poverty stricken communist and socialist countries

What next sharia law is better?

So china pollutes it's people to death with cancer, over runs Tibet and cracks down brutally on protesters aborts babies at 8months

Communism allows gays and minority's to be beaten to a pulp?

No thanks I like western values and systems better, it's far more civilised and giving than that of ignorant barbarians who are filled with jealousy and constantly spout hatred over the wall of the civilised world and not to mention stones


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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 09:26 PM
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seasoul
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There's plenty of evidence indicating that international bankers/financiers are acting as antagonists.

"Central Banker Appointed as Prime Minister of Ukraine"
source: www.infowars.com...

“Manufacturing Consent”: Bernard-Henri Lévy, the “New Philosopher” Selling Military Adventures of the Global Elite.
source: www.strategic-culture.org...

“The hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency: their sole object is gain.” --Napoleon Bonaparte


This right here. The IMF and World Bank and the globalist banking cartel have a long history in the Ukraine and in other nations in the region like Poland. They practically raped Poland not all that long ago, and that country is just now getting back on it's feet after having all it's local industry bought up by foreign business oligarchs and loan sharks at pennies on the dollar. This is EXACTLY what is happening in the Ukraine, only the Ukraine has a section of the population that aren't ready to sell off their nations assets to foreign corporations in exchange for crippling IMF loans that will see them indebted to western banking powers for decades to come.

This whole thing boils down to MONEY. It's got jack squat to do with the msm catchphrases like "freedom" and "democracy". There has been rampant corruption in the Ukrainian government for years, but the difference is that the west isn't willing to turn a blind eye when they aren't getting a piece of the pie, and the profits are flowing east.

It's a very dangerous game to be playing when the Russians have not only a vested economic interest in the Ukraine, but a strong military presence as well as ethnic ties to the south. But these power brokers and money grabbers have never cared about the cost in human lives, have they?

How many times have we seen coups sponsored by American institutions due to certain economic ideologies from the inside out? Open a history book and look at the IMF's past and you will find a plethora of revolutions they have happily been a part of.

I say it a lot, but read this book:



This is straight out of the playbook of the IMF and their cronies and sponsors.
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